Re: [9fans] plan9 usability

Re: [9fans] plan9 usability

[forsyth]

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plan 9 is useful as a standalone system.
on the other hand, for what you're doing, you'll need graphics
and thus rio to work.  the user interface expects it.  that's one
reason you're already finding it clumsy.  there are no cursor addressing
editors because there is no cursor addressing (since the system
postdates cursor addressed terminals).  [all right, there's an emulation
of a vt220, but that turns round and uses bitmap graphics to do it.]
there are two cut-and-paste editors once graphics is going: acme and sam.

meanwhile, during those initial configuration stages without graphics,
such as modifying /lib/vgadb if need be, you're limited to ed.
similarly, rio windows provide scrolling for larger text units.
try `p' to page output until rio is going (and some use p even under rio).

AGP devices can work; i use various AGP ATI cards successfully.


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From: Hermann Samso <samso@studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: [9fans] plan9 usability
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:42:33 GMT
Message-ID: <9f1n0o$q04$2@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de>


	Hello!

	How useful is plan9 as standalone system? It will
	take a little till I can network it to another
	machine, and I would like to use it mainly for
	research and programming.
	
	As it seems that I won't be able to use any graphics 
	(rio), AGP not being supported, and al...
	can I do my job working from console alone?
	Is there any plan for Vesa or standard Vga, SVga 
	support, so as to not rely too much on the hardware.
	With the speed of todays graphic cards, it should
	be possible to run rio under Svga/Vesa smoothly.

	saludos,
		hermann samso

Re: [9fans] plan9 usability

[Mike Warner]

Rio is hanging me up. Before I can install P9 I need to buy a card
specifically to run RIO. There was nothing I could do to get RIO to
accept my Rage Pro 128. I'm thinking 

               ATI Expert 98 AGP.

What do you think?

Thanks.

-m

In article <20010530091635.C2C28199E9@mail.cse.psu.edu>, "Unknown"
<forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> plan 9 is useful as a standalone system. on the other hand, for what
> you're doing, you'll need graphics and thus rio to work.  the user
> interface expects it.  that's one reason you're already finding it
> clumsy.  there are no cursor addressing editors because there is no
> cursor addressing (since the system postdates cursor addressed
> terminals).  [all right, there's an emulation of a vt220, but that turns
> round and uses bitmap graphics to do it.] there are two cut-and-paste
> editors once graphics is going: acme and sam.
> 
> meanwhile, during those initial configuration stages without graphics,
> such as modifying /lib/vgadb if need be, you're limited to ed.
> similarly, rio windows provide scrolling for larger text units. try `p'
> to page output until rio is going (and some use p even under rio).
> 
> AGP devices can work; i use various AGP ATI cards successfully.

Re: [9fans] plan9 usability

[Douglas A. Gwyn]

Mike Warner wrote:
> ... There was nothing I could do to get RIO to
> accept my Rage Pro 128. I'm thinking
>                ATI Expert 98 AGP.

There are several flavors of the "Xpert 98"; the graphics chipset
varies from Rage Pro to Rage Pro Turbo to Rage Pro LT to Rage XL.
The Rage XL chip apparently needs a special software assist that
Plan 9 doesn't provide.  (Same principle as a WinModem.)  I think
all the others work okay under the current Plan 9.  One way to
detect a Rage XL version is to look for "Value edition" on the box.

[9fans] plan9 usability

[Hermann Samso]

	Hello!

	How useful is plan9 as standalone system? It will
	take a little till I can network it to another
	machine, and I would like to use it mainly for
	research and programming.
	
	As it seems that I won't be able to use any graphics 
	(rio), AGP not being supported, and al...
	can I do my job working from console alone?
	Is there any plan for Vesa or standard Vga, SVga 
	support, so as to not rely too much on the hardware.
	With the speed of todays graphic cards, it should
	be possible to run rio under Svga/Vesa smoothly.

	saludos,
		hermann samso