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From: Lucio De Re <lucio@proxima.alt.za>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] how people learn things (was architectures)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:49:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010713124912.X22003@cackle.proxima.alt.za> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <092801c10b83$9ca53aa0$c0b7c6d4@SOMA>; from Boyd Roberts on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:07:23PM +0200

On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:07:23PM +0200, Boyd Roberts wrote:
>
> yes, this is the 'killer app' theory.  i don't actually want excel -- i'll
> use awk.  i don't want word -- i'll use troff.  but the problem is that J.
> Random User wants this 'cos it's shiny and flashy and they can point and
> click (have it crash on them :) and don't need to know anything about
> programming or typography.
>
Well, you don't have to be a mechanic to drive a car (and have
accidents and failures) or a veterinarian to ride a horse.  And you
have to be able to handle spreadsheets and documents when dealing with
the world at large.  Not a situation you have to be happy with,
any more than, for example, I like freeways, but a situation that has
taken root very firmly.  strings | awk just won't do :-)

The flashy bit, by the way, is incidental, merely the meme's way to
make itself attractive.  Nothing new there, take a look at the rest of
nature :-)

Hm, maybe Plan 9 should also find the key to presenting its meme
material in an irresistible coating.

> i write code.  i grew up with troff.  i use windows as a _terminal_.
> well, i have written code for it, but i needed a job and got conned.
> in retrospect it was very interesting 'cos i had to learn it from
> scratch and the constant 'they did what!?!' suprises taught me why
> it doesn't work and how it's very difficult to write a correct
> windows program.
>
I'm sure most of Microsoft's bad decisions were mandated by time to
market.  And the realisation that is it more profitable to invest in
marketing than in design.  No one else ever perceived the opportunity
in supplying a faulty product with the promise of something better to
come.  Sheer genius.

++L


  reply	other threads:[~2001-07-13 10:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-07-13  9:12 okamoto
2001-07-13 10:07 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-13 10:49   ` Lucio De Re [this message]
2001-07-13 10:59     ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-13 11:11       ` Lucio De Re
2001-07-13 15:26         ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-13 16:20           ` Lucio De Re
2001-07-14  0:28             ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-16  8:54             ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-16  9:55               ` Boyd Roberts
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-07-16 18:15 David Gordon Hogan
2001-07-16 16:21 rog
2001-07-16 16:46 ` suspect
2001-07-13 16:32 jmk
2001-07-16  8:55 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-16 15:21   ` Rick Hohensee
2001-07-13 16:22 rog
2001-07-14  0:23 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-16  8:54 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-16 15:46   ` david presotto
2001-07-13 12:49 presotto
2001-07-13 13:38 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-13 15:44 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-14  0:19   ` Boyd Roberts
2001-08-02 10:27   ` Ralph
2001-08-02 11:24     ` Boyd Roberts
2001-08-03  9:05       ` Ralph Corderoy
2001-08-03 10:15         ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-13  9:17 okamoto
2001-07-13  8:00 Laura Creighton
2001-07-13  9:48 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-13 15:25   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-13 15:44     ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-13 20:47   ` Steve Kilbane
2001-07-14 14:45     ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-13 15:25 ` Douglas A. Gwyn

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