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From: "rob pike" <rob@plan9.bell-labs.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: [9fans] Plan 9
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:45:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011025124551.4A1E1199B5@mail.cse.psu.edu> (raw)

The original reason behind Plan 9 is still the most important and,
unfortunately, is largely obscured by the need to make a distribution
and the desire for individuals to run it on PCs: a shared environment.
We boot all our machines in the lab over the network; they have no
local state except a configuration file (plan9.ini) usually held on a
floppy.  When I go home, my environment - that is, the working state
of my machine - is identical not only with my environment at work, but
with all my colleague's working state, too.  Diskless operation is not
only possible, it's the basic principle of the system.  It's just like
the good old timesharing days: our machines are *terminals* to a large
computing system; whatever machine I sit down at to work, I have
equivalent access to identical resources.  It's more than diskless,
it's transparent statelessness.

Local administration?  What's that?

Sure, with NFS you can get somewhere close to that ideal, but then why
are there so few truly diskless Unix systems out there?  One reason is
that the storage file system isn't enough: the environment includes a
huge array of other machines with special local services
(authentication, printing, backup, connections to other OSs and
networks, etc.)  and the NFS model doesn't permit a general enough
notion of file.  Plan 9 does.  That's the true joy of it.

-rob



             reply	other threads:[~2001-10-25 12:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-25 12:45 rob pike [this message]
2001-10-25 13:47 ` Borja Marcos
2001-10-25 21:52   ` Jim Choate
2001-10-26  8:35     ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-25 16:59 ` Wladimir Mutel
2001-11-01  9:47 ` Randolph Fritz
2001-11-01 14:18   ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-02  9:58   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-02 11:43     ` Wladimir Mutel
2001-11-02 12:39       ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05 14:11         ` Wladimir Mutel
2001-11-05 15:13           ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05 16:30             ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-05 17:37               ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05 17:42                 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-05 18:04                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05 18:30                     ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-05 19:58                     ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-02 15:36       ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-02 15:42         ` andrey
2001-11-02 15:54           ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-05 15:01 ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-05 15:29   ` Markus Friedl
2001-11-05 15:49   ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-06 10:23     ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-08-30 10:15 [9fans] plan 9 nigel
2002-08-30  9:57 Isaac Stern
2001-11-13 10:53 [9fans] Plan 9 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2001-11-09 22:39 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-09 12:25 geoff
2001-11-12 10:32 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-12 15:11   ` Ozan Yigit
2001-11-13  0:15     ` Jim Choate
2001-11-12 11:41 ` Sam Ducksworth
2001-11-13 10:25   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-09  1:47 okamoto
2001-11-08 15:05 presotto
2001-11-08 14:44 forsyth
2001-11-08 14:02 presotto
2001-11-09  0:25 ` Dan Cross
2001-11-09 10:08 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-09 17:31   ` Dan Cross
2001-11-12 10:33     ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-13  2:10       ` Dan Cross
2001-11-13 10:34         ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-08 13:07 Bruce Janson
2001-11-09 10:07 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-08 13:06 rob pike
2001-11-09 10:08 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-07 18:05 anothy
2001-11-07 17:43 anothy
2001-11-07 17:47 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-07 17:28 Russ Cox
2001-11-08 10:39 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-08 19:38   ` Steve Kilbane
2001-11-09 10:18     ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-07 12:58 rob pike
2001-11-08 10:39 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-07 11:00 geoff
2001-11-08 10:39 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-07 10:03 forsyth
2001-11-08 10:38 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-07  1:09 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-06 18:46 anothy
2001-11-07  9:44 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-06 18:14 forsyth
2001-11-07  9:43 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-06 18:07 presotto
2001-11-07  9:44 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-06 16:59 anothy
2001-11-06 17:54 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-06 13:45 nigel
2001-11-06 13:33 rob pike
2001-11-06 17:53 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-06  1:14 presotto
2001-11-06  1:30 ` Scott Schwartz
2001-11-06  1:37   ` YAMANASHI Takeshi
2001-11-05 21:47 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-05 21:53 ` andrey
2001-11-06 10:31   ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-06 10:32   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-06 10:43 ` pac
2001-11-05 21:04 rob pike
2001-11-05 21:00 Richard Miller
2001-11-05 18:18 anothy
2001-11-06  1:06 ` YAMANASHI Takeshi
2001-11-06 10:31 ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-06 10:32 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-05 17:45 forsyth
2001-11-05 17:44 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-06 10:31 ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-06 13:34   ` Tomas
2001-11-05 15:48 presotto
2001-11-06 10:31 ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-06 10:32 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-06 17:53   ` Ozan Yigit
2001-11-02 18:36 Russ Cox
2001-11-05 16:49 ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-05 17:21   ` Ian Cooper
2001-11-06 10:30     ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-02 17:57 forsyth
2001-11-02 18:22 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-02 17:26 Russ Cox
2001-11-02 18:29 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-05 10:21 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-05 16:49 ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-05 17:08   ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-06 10:23     ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-02 13:53 rob pike
2001-11-05 10:20 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-29 21:08 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-05 15:00 ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-10-26 15:12 Russ Cox
2001-10-29 10:16 ` Ozan Yigit
2001-10-25 17:52 Russ Cox
2001-10-26  9:23 ` Wladimir Mutel
2001-10-26 15:03   ` William Josephson
2001-10-26 20:14     ` Dan Adkins
1998-11-13  8:29 Scott
1998-11-11 21:08 Mats

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