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From: "rob pike" <rob@plan9.bell-labs.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9
Date: Wed,  7 Nov 2001 07:58:15 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011107125817.80067199BB@mail.cse.psu.edu> (raw)

> My idea is that these two should be unified (keep in mind I'm talking
> about "some future system", not suggesting a big design alteration of
> existing systems).

So you keep saying, and so we believe.  But why?  To what visible
effect?  So far all you've claimed is efficiency, which is not an
issue, and elegance, which you haven't quite demonstrated yet since
the distinction between public defaults and private adjustments
requires some sort of extra mechanism or at least extra instance of
mechanism.

System design is about artifacts and should lead to tangible benefit.
I remain unconvinced in this case.  In fact, the issue has hardly
been addressed; saying 'should be' in every post is not an argument.

So again, why?  Give me an example of something your notion
accomplishes that we can't do now and that is worth doing.

-rob



             reply	other threads:[~2001-11-07 12:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-07 12:58 rob pike [this message]
2001-11-08 10:39 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-08-30 10:15 [9fans] plan 9 nigel
2002-08-30  9:57 Isaac Stern
2001-11-13 10:53 [9fans] Plan 9 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2001-11-09 22:39 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-09 12:25 geoff
2001-11-12 10:32 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-12 15:11   ` Ozan Yigit
2001-11-13  0:15     ` Jim Choate
2001-11-12 11:41 ` Sam Ducksworth
2001-11-13 10:25   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-09  1:47 okamoto
2001-11-08 15:05 presotto
2001-11-08 14:44 forsyth
2001-11-08 14:02 presotto
2001-11-09  0:25 ` Dan Cross
2001-11-09 10:08 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-09 17:31   ` Dan Cross
2001-11-12 10:33     ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-13  2:10       ` Dan Cross
2001-11-13 10:34         ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-08 13:07 Bruce Janson
2001-11-09 10:07 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-08 13:06 rob pike
2001-11-09 10:08 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-07 18:05 anothy
2001-11-07 17:43 anothy
2001-11-07 17:47 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-07 17:28 Russ Cox
2001-11-08 10:39 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-08 19:38   ` Steve Kilbane
2001-11-09 10:18     ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-07 11:00 geoff
2001-11-08 10:39 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-07 10:03 forsyth
2001-11-08 10:38 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-07  1:09 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-06 18:46 anothy
2001-11-07  9:44 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-06 18:14 forsyth
2001-11-07  9:43 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-06 18:07 presotto
2001-11-07  9:44 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-06 16:59 anothy
2001-11-06 17:54 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-06 13:45 nigel
2001-11-06 13:33 rob pike
2001-11-06 17:53 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-06  1:14 presotto
2001-11-06  1:30 ` Scott Schwartz
2001-11-06  1:37   ` YAMANASHI Takeshi
2001-11-05 21:47 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-05 21:53 ` andrey
2001-11-06 10:31   ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-06 10:32   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-06 10:43 ` pac
2001-11-05 21:04 rob pike
2001-11-05 21:00 Richard Miller
2001-11-05 18:18 anothy
2001-11-06  1:06 ` YAMANASHI Takeshi
2001-11-06 10:31 ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-06 10:32 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-05 17:45 forsyth
2001-11-05 17:44 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-06 10:31 ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-06 13:34   ` Tomas
2001-11-05 15:48 presotto
2001-11-06 10:31 ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-06 10:32 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-06 17:53   ` Ozan Yigit
2001-11-02 18:36 Russ Cox
2001-11-05 16:49 ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-05 17:21   ` Ian Cooper
2001-11-06 10:30     ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-02 17:57 forsyth
2001-11-02 18:22 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-02 17:26 Russ Cox
2001-11-02 18:29 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-05 10:21 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-05 16:49 ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-05 17:08   ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-06 10:23     ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-02 13:53 rob pike
2001-11-05 10:20 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-29 21:08 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-05 15:00 ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-10-26 15:12 Russ Cox
2001-10-29 10:16 ` Ozan Yigit
2001-10-25 17:52 Russ Cox
2001-10-26  9:23 ` Wladimir Mutel
2001-10-26 15:03   ` William Josephson
2001-10-26 20:14     ` Dan Adkins
2001-10-25 12:45 rob pike
2001-10-25 13:47 ` Borja Marcos
2001-10-25 21:52   ` Jim Choate
2001-10-26  8:35     ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-25 16:59 ` Wladimir Mutel
2001-11-01  9:47 ` Randolph Fritz
2001-11-01 14:18   ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-02  9:58   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-02 11:43     ` Wladimir Mutel
2001-11-02 12:39       ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05 14:11         ` Wladimir Mutel
2001-11-05 15:13           ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05 16:30             ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-05 17:37               ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05 17:42                 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-05 18:04                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05 18:30                     ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-05 19:58                     ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-02 15:36       ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-02 15:42         ` andrey
2001-11-02 15:54           ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-05 15:01 ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
2001-11-05 15:29   ` Markus Friedl
2001-11-05 15:49   ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-06 10:23     ` Jonadab the Unsightly One
1998-11-13  8:29 Scott
1998-11-11 21:08 Mats

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