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From: presotto@closedmind.org
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Private Namespaces for Linux
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:20:21 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011120222023.4791D199FA@mail.cse.psu.edu> (raw)

To expand, IL causes problems with a number of ISP's.
It doesn't do its own fragmentation, it depends on IP.
Therefore when doing large reads and writes, it generates
packet trains, pieces of which are often lost due to
congestion.  The only option is to retransmit the IL
packet and hence the packet chain, which in turn has
a reasonable probablility of a loss.

To fix it, we'ld have to introduce fragmentation/reassembly to
IL.  That may or may not be enough in which case we may have to
worry about additional congestion control.  (I think we could
get away without cc because of the inherent RPC nature of 9p
over IL).  However, we figured that at that point we're getting
dangerously close to TCP anyways so why bother; we've got too
many other things to do and our TCP implementation is getting
to be industrial strength due to Dong Lin's efforts.

There's also the general problem that IL gets filtered out
at a lot of firewalls because noone knows about it: I have
to use TCP to get out of Avaya because I can't get anyone
to turn on IL at the corporate edge.


             reply	other threads:[~2001-11-20 22:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-20 22:20 presotto [this message]
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2001-11-27  8:49 nigel
2001-11-27  7:24 nigel
2001-11-27  6:43 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-27  3:09 Russ Cox
2001-11-27  8:13 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2001-11-27  3:03 geoff
2001-11-26 18:27 erik quanstrom
2001-11-26  5:31 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-26 10:00 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-26 10:48   ` Matt
2001-11-26 14:29     ` Ronald G Minnich
     [not found]     ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111260728070.16611-100000@snaresland.acl.la nl.gov>
2001-11-27  0:13       ` Andrew Simmons
2001-11-27  1:37         ` Ronald G Minnich
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111261834400.19833-100000@snaresland.acl.la nl.gov>
2001-11-27  2:17           ` Andrew Simmons
2001-11-27  2:28             ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-27  2:46               ` Andrew Simmons
2001-11-27 11:53             ` Ralph Corderoy
2001-11-27  2:22         ` Quinn Dunkan
2001-11-27  2:54           ` Andrew Simmons
2001-11-27  3:06             ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-26 14:18 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-26 18:26   ` Dan Cross
2001-11-22  0:42 rob pike
2001-11-22  0:36 rob pike
2001-11-21 23:02 rob pike
2001-11-21 23:26 ` Matt
2001-11-21 20:08 erik quanstrom
2001-11-21 16:49 forsyth
2001-11-21 14:52 presotto
2001-11-21 20:12 ` Dan Cross
2001-11-21 20:48 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2001-11-21 22:50   ` Andrew Simmons
2001-11-25 15:23   ` david presotto
2001-11-25  4:19     ` George Michaelson
2001-11-21  3:02 Eric Grosse
2001-11-21  1:29 okamoto
2001-11-21  3:46 ` Ronald G Minnich
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111202037460.14857-100000@snaresland.acl.la nl.gov>
2001-11-21 17:51   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2001-11-21 22:44     ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-21  0:03 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-20 23:48 forsyth
2001-11-20 23:40 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-20 23:45 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-20 23:54 ` Matthew Hannigan
2001-11-21 17:24 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-22  9:56 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-20 22:54 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-20 23:17 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-20 23:49   ` Matthew Hannigan
2001-11-20 23:31 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-20 22:40 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-20 22:47 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-20 23:29 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-20 22:08 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-20 23:40 ` Dan Cross
2001-11-21 15:05 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-20 22:05 erik quanstrom
2001-11-20 21:24 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-20 21:49 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-20 20:54 presotto
2001-11-20 20:49 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-20 20:57 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-21  5:59   ` Taj Khattra
2001-11-20 10:22 forsyth
2001-11-19 21:46 [9fans] vmware Russ Cox
2001-11-19 23:59 ` [9fans] Private Namespaces for Linux Matt
2001-11-20  5:26   ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-20 17:28   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-20 20:46     ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-20 21:08       ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-20 21:48         ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-20 22:28           ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-20 23:14             ` Alexander Viro

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