From: Skip Tavakkolian <skipt@real.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Private Namespaces for Linux
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:48:21 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011121124821.019d46d0@mail.real.com> (raw)
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To ask a rude question then, what was the original need or rationale for
inventing IL?
At 09:52 AM 11/21/2001 -0500, presotto@closedmind.org wrote:
>server = PentiumII/Xeon 400
>client = PentiumPro 199
>network = 100 mbs ether
>
>test =
> import {tcp|il}!olive / /tmp
> cd /tmp/386/bin; cat * > /dev/null
>
>the remote fs protocol is 9P2000
>
>I did a few runs to warm up the cache on the
>server and 7 runs each for IL and TCP interleaved.
>The timings came out just about the same for
>Il and TCP, 29.17 and 29.38 secs respectively.
>The difference was well within the error bars.
>
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>In article <20011120220809.8D66B199E4@mail.cse.psu.edu> you write:
>>OK, OK, here's why IL is deprecated:
>>
>>1. It doesn't cope well with long networks (it hasn't
>>had the chance to be tuned to the same degree as TCP).
>>
>>2. It's a headache to maintain.
>>
>>3. The new protocol (9P2000) doesn't depend on record
>>boundaries being preserved; there is basically no dependence
>>on IL in the new system other than the current fileserver
>>implementation, which is about to be overhauled (RSN!).
>
>Yes, but isn't il a lot more efficient on the wire than TCP,
>particularly over mostly reliable local area networks? TCP has a lot
>of baggage to deal with high loss, high latency, networks with moderate
>bandwidth at the expense of higher bandwidth, lower latency, low loss
>networks; in other words, it doesn't cope well with short networks. :-)
>
> - Dan C.
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-11-21 20:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-11-21 14:52 presotto
2001-11-21 20:12 ` Dan Cross
2001-11-21 20:48 ` Skip Tavakkolian [this message]
2001-11-21 22:50 ` Andrew Simmons
2001-11-25 15:23 ` david presotto
2001-11-25 4:19 ` George Michaelson
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-11-27 8:49 nigel
2001-11-27 7:24 nigel
2001-11-27 6:43 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-27 3:09 Russ Cox
2001-11-27 8:13 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2001-11-27 3:03 geoff
2001-11-26 18:27 erik quanstrom
2001-11-26 5:31 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-26 10:00 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-26 10:48 ` Matt
2001-11-26 14:29 ` Ronald G Minnich
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111260728070.16611-100000@snaresland.acl.la nl.gov>
2001-11-27 0:13 ` Andrew Simmons
2001-11-27 1:37 ` Ronald G Minnich
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111261834400.19833-100000@snaresland.acl.la nl.gov>
2001-11-27 2:17 ` Andrew Simmons
2001-11-27 2:28 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-27 2:46 ` Andrew Simmons
2001-11-27 11:53 ` Ralph Corderoy
2001-11-27 2:22 ` Quinn Dunkan
2001-11-27 2:54 ` Andrew Simmons
2001-11-27 3:06 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-26 14:18 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-26 18:26 ` Dan Cross
2001-11-22 0:42 rob pike
2001-11-22 0:36 rob pike
2001-11-21 23:02 rob pike
2001-11-21 23:26 ` Matt
2001-11-21 20:08 erik quanstrom
2001-11-21 16:49 forsyth
2001-11-21 3:02 Eric Grosse
2001-11-21 1:29 okamoto
2001-11-21 3:46 ` Ronald G Minnich
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111202037460.14857-100000@snaresland.acl.la nl.gov>
2001-11-21 17:51 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2001-11-21 22:44 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-21 0:03 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-20 23:48 forsyth
2001-11-20 23:40 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-20 23:45 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-20 23:54 ` Matthew Hannigan
2001-11-21 17:24 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-22 9:56 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-20 22:54 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-20 23:17 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-20 23:49 ` Matthew Hannigan
2001-11-20 23:31 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-20 22:40 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-20 22:47 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-20 23:29 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-20 22:20 presotto
2001-11-20 22:08 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-20 23:40 ` Dan Cross
2001-11-21 15:05 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-20 22:05 erik quanstrom
2001-11-20 21:24 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-20 21:49 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-20 20:54 presotto
2001-11-20 20:49 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-20 20:57 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-21 5:59 ` Taj Khattra
2001-11-20 10:22 forsyth
2001-11-19 21:46 [9fans] vmware Russ Cox
2001-11-19 23:59 ` [9fans] Private Namespaces for Linux Matt
2001-11-20 5:26 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-20 17:28 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-20 20:46 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-20 21:08 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-20 21:48 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-20 22:28 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-11-20 23:14 ` Alexander Viro
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