From: William Ahern <william@25thandClement.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] pop3 before smtp
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:59:59 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030711155959.GA3136@wilbur.25thandClement.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3F0ED4B3.4B140151@princeton.edu>
On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 11:16:03AM -0400, Martin Harriss wrote:
<snip>
> But now these cards become bearer instruments. You steal the card, you
> have access. Methinks you need at least a PIN to validate the card.
>
> Martin
yes, but you *know* when you're card is gone. often there isn't even a
hint that somebody has _stolen_ your password.
i certainly don't think these cards are a panacea. you can strip the casing
w/ acid and trace the on-board chips and _steal_ the private key. but for
the forseeable future this behavior is significantly mediated by time and
physical constraints, which at the very least can give me a warning that the
card cannot be trusted anymore.
i would personally frown on any singular dependence by a government on the
technology, because of your point, and also the corollary that the more
valuable they become, the quicker the bad guys will develop the ability to
copy/replace them.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-07-11 15:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-07-07 12:05 [9fans] verifying CD vs. iso image pac
2003-07-07 13:39 ` [9fans] pop3 before smtp Kenji Arisawa
2003-07-09 0:49 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2003-07-09 1:16 ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-09 1:24 ` Dan Cross
2003-07-09 1:58 ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-09 1:36 ` Scott Schwartz
2003-07-09 1:54 ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-09 5:05 ` Kenji Arisawa
2003-07-09 7:21 ` Fco.J.Ballesteros, nemo
2003-07-09 7:39 ` Kenji Arisawa
2003-07-09 7:56 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-07-09 8:29 ` Kenji Arisawa
2003-07-09 9:07 ` Kenji Arisawa
2003-07-10 4:02 ` Russ Cox
2003-07-10 19:18 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2003-07-10 19:24 ` David Presotto
2003-07-10 19:38 ` David Presotto
2003-07-10 19:49 ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-10 20:09 ` William Ahern
2003-07-10 21:21 ` Scott Schwartz
2003-07-10 21:50 ` Dan Cross
2003-07-10 21:56 ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-11 0:02 ` David Presotto
2003-07-11 0:09 ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-11 0:23 ` David Presotto
2003-07-11 15:03 ` William Ahern
2003-07-11 15:16 ` Martin Harriss
2003-07-11 15:59 ` William Ahern [this message]
2003-07-12 0:51 ` Bruce Ellis
2003-07-11 10:44 ` matt
2003-07-11 14:46 ` William Ahern
2003-07-12 23:58 ` C H Forsyth
2003-07-11 8:52 ` bs
2003-07-11 9:18 ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-10 19:51 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2003-07-10 20:01 ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-10 20:20 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2003-07-10 19:33 ` George Michaelson
2003-07-10 19:44 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2003-07-10 22:02 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-07-10 22:14 ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-10 23:11 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-07-10 23:26 ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-10 23:38 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-07-10 23:48 ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-10 23:56 ` David Presotto
2003-07-11 0:03 ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-10 22:23 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2003-07-07 16:58 ` [9fans] verifying CD vs. iso image David Presotto
2003-07-07 20:46 ` boyd, rounin
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