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From: Geoff Collyer <geoff@collyer.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] pop3 before smtp
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:11:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6524aa214605cc00624cb507a53317e9@collyer.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <011d01c34730$9f27e4e0$b9844051@insultant.net>

There are lots of things wrong with strict SMTP, such as the enforced
slowness due to its lock-step nature, but perhaps the most egregious
is that it enforces a 7-bit channel.  I used to think that this was
for the sake of long-dead PDP-10s, but it turns out to be for the
benefit of (CSnet?) people who wanted to run SMTP over plain old
un-error-corrected, un-flow-controlled serial lines without benefit of
TCP/IP underneath, and who feared that the high bit might be lost as a
parity bit (never mind that whole chunks of the message might be lost
due to lack of flow control, or garbled due to lack of error
correction).

So given that one expects there to be people who can only talk strict
821 SMTP, Content Transfers Encodings become necessary if one wants to
send 8-bit data, such as UTF-8.  So some of the MIME mess is directly
due to the failings of strict SMTP.  And that's just a bit of the
fall-out from SMTP's failings.



  reply	other threads:[~2003-07-10 23:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-07 12:05 [9fans] verifying CD vs. iso image pac
2003-07-07 13:39 ` [9fans] pop3 before smtp Kenji Arisawa
2003-07-09  0:49   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2003-07-09  1:16     ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-09  1:24       ` Dan Cross
2003-07-09  1:58         ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-09  1:36       ` Scott Schwartz
2003-07-09  1:54         ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-09  5:05           ` Kenji Arisawa
2003-07-09  7:21             ` Fco.J.Ballesteros, nemo
2003-07-09  7:39               ` Kenji Arisawa
2003-07-09  7:56                 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-07-09  8:29                   ` Kenji Arisawa
2003-07-09  9:07                     ` Kenji Arisawa
2003-07-10  4:02             ` Russ Cox
2003-07-10 19:18               ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2003-07-10 19:24                 ` David Presotto
2003-07-10 19:38                   ` David Presotto
2003-07-10 19:49                     ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-10 20:09                       ` William Ahern
2003-07-10 21:21                         ` Scott Schwartz
2003-07-10 21:50                           ` Dan Cross
2003-07-10 21:56                             ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-11  0:02                             ` David Presotto
2003-07-11  0:09                               ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-11  0:23                                 ` David Presotto
2003-07-11 15:03                                 ` William Ahern
2003-07-11 15:16                                   ` Martin Harriss
2003-07-11 15:59                                     ` William Ahern
2003-07-12  0:51                                     ` Bruce Ellis
2003-07-11 10:44                               ` matt
2003-07-11 14:46                             ` William Ahern
2003-07-12 23:58                               ` C H Forsyth
2003-07-11  8:52                           ` bs
2003-07-11  9:18                             ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-10 19:51                     ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2003-07-10 20:01                       ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-10 20:20                         ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2003-07-10 19:33                 ` George Michaelson
2003-07-10 19:44                   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2003-07-10 22:02                   ` Geoff Collyer
2003-07-10 22:14                     ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-10 23:11                       ` Geoff Collyer [this message]
2003-07-10 23:26                         ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-10 23:38                           ` Geoff Collyer
2003-07-10 23:48                             ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-10 23:56                               ` David Presotto
2003-07-11  0:03                                 ` boyd, rounin
2003-07-10 22:23                     ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2003-07-07 16:58 ` [9fans] verifying CD vs. iso image David Presotto
2003-07-07 20:46   ` boyd, rounin

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