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From: Lucio De Re <lucio@proxima.alt.za>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] re: spam filtering fs
Date: Mon,  8 Sep 2003 07:21:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030908072110.A2507@cackle.proxima.alt.za> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <97f6c2ef4d9e16dfbaf7e985261fee63@collyer.net>; from Geoff Collyer on Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 07:22:04PM -0700

On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 07:22:04PM -0700, Geoff Collyer wrote:
>
> The only advantage of PGP is that it's what people use.  Phil
> Zimmermann spoke at Apple last year and said that at that time, if you
> measured how people encrypted their mail on the wire (when they did,
> which wasn't terribly often), it was virtually all using PGP's formats
> (they could be using PGP or gpg or something else).  Everything else
> combined was epsilon (negligible) and PGP was the rest.  His comment a
> year ago was that ``PGP *is* encrypted mail''.

If only we could get MUAs configured to handle encrypted mail by
default, users would get used to it without even noticing.  And only
S/MIME (or PEM) would be feasible, as a self-generated certificate can
then be included in the message.  Not a lot of security, but we're
dealing with lusers here.

Once everyone has built up a collection of certificates for their
correspondents, I believe that some peer pressure could trigger a
quest for third-party certification.  But the tools must be in place
first.

++L


  reply	other threads:[~2003-09-08  5:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2003-09-01 15:45 ` steve.simon
2003-09-02  1:43   ` ron minnich
2003-09-02  1:53     ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-02  1:58       ` ron minnich
2003-09-02  2:04         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2003-09-02  2:15           ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-02  2:12         ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-02  2:00     ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-02 13:56     ` Eric Grosse
2003-09-02 16:08       ` Dan Cross
2003-09-02 21:28         ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-02 22:16         ` david presotto
2003-09-02 22:36           ` ron minnich
2003-09-03  0:59             ` Dan Cross
2003-09-03  1:50               ` Geoff Collyer
2003-09-03  3:35                 ` Micah Stetson
2003-09-03 12:43                   ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-03 12:41                 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-03  5:48               ` david presotto
2003-09-07  1:56                 ` Dan Cross
2003-09-07  4:04                   ` ron minnich
2003-09-07  5:34                     ` Dan Cross
2003-09-07  8:51                       ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-07 19:34                         ` ron minnich
2003-09-07 12:35                   ` David Presotto
2003-09-07 19:05                     ` Dan Cross
2003-09-07 20:15                       ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-08  2:22                       ` Geoff Collyer
2003-09-08  5:21                         ` Lucio De Re [this message]
2003-09-08  9:45                           ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-03 12:37               ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-03 14:09                 ` matt
2003-09-03 13:42                   ` Russ Cox
2003-09-03 16:21                     ` Dan Cross
2003-09-03  7:38         ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2003-09-03  7:59       ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-03  8:24         ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2003-09-03 12:03         ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-03 19:54           ` David Presotto
2003-09-03 21:26             ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-04  5:42             ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-04  6:15               ` George Michaelson
2003-09-04  6:10                 ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-04  6:31                   ` George Michaelson
2003-09-04 14:07                   ` ron minnich
2003-09-03 14:27         ` ron minnich
2003-09-02 15:57     ` Dan Cross
2003-09-01 20:31 matt
2003-09-03  9:13 lucio
2003-09-03 10:09 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2003-09-03 12:25 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-04  4:57   ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-05  1:43     ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-05  1:52       ` David Presotto
2003-09-05  2:17         ` boyd, rounin

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