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From: John Stalker <stalker@Math.Princeton.EDU>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:32:15 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200312171632.hBHGWFfq019532@math.Princeton.EDU> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0312171129340.10845-100000@zenon.ceid.upatras.gr>


> I think however that its main design goal---easy distribution of services
> and resources and the shared environment it presents to the users---has
> been 'superseded? replaced? ignored?(pick your favorite)' in the real
> world by the web, and that is another discipline.

I disagree somewhat.  Per machine namespaces are really a great nuisance.
I have three and a half machines at home and one at work and I already
feel the strain of keeping everything in sync.  Web interfaces are not
much good for this, and the standard solutions--NSF, rsync, etc.--feel
like the hacks that they are.  I can only imagine what administering
a large network is like.

The problem is, I think, a bit more subtle.  The per process namespace
idea and largely transparent networking are still as good an idea now
as they were originally.  Plan9 doesn't work as seemlessly as I would
like, however, in a network whose topology is continually changing.
My laptop, for example, may be part of my LAN, the internet, my
employer's LAN, or operating stand-alone.  Other OSes are no better
at this, but it seems that this is the sort of thing to which plan9
should be well suited.  Plan B has some interesting ideas in this
area.

Plan9 also has some problems at small scales.  It really wants a
dedicated file server, though not quite as badly as in the old days.

--
John Stalker
Department of Mathematics
Princeton University
(609)258-6469


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-12-17 16:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-17  3:26 andrey mirtchovski
2003-12-17  4:15 ` ron minnich
2003-12-17  4:47   ` okamoto
2003-12-17  4:54     ` ron minnich
2003-12-17  5:37       ` okamoto
2003-12-18  2:21       ` bs
2003-12-17  9:59     ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2003-12-17 10:58       ` Matthias Teege
2003-12-17 12:01         ` Brantley Coile
2003-12-17 10:02 ` Anastasopoulos S
2003-12-17 14:29   ` David Presotto
2003-12-17 14:52     ` suspect
2003-12-17  5:41       ` Russ Cox
2003-12-17 16:08         ` suspect
2003-12-18  1:08           ` inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) Geoff Collyer
2003-12-18  8:32             ` Charles Forsyth
2003-12-18  9:18               ` Geoff Collyer
2003-12-18 11:32                 ` a
2003-12-18 14:09                 ` mirtchov
2003-12-18 16:03                   ` David Presotto
2003-12-18 16:34                     ` rog
2003-12-18 16:29                       ` Russ Cox
2003-12-19  1:27                         ` okamoto
2003-12-18 16:39                       ` a
2003-12-19  4:59                         ` boyd, rounin
2003-12-18 19:19                           ` a
2003-12-18 17:38                             ` Russ Cox
2003-12-18 17:02                       ` David Presotto
2003-12-20  1:20                       ` cd ripping (was Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy)) Christopher Nielsen
2003-12-20  1:43                         ` David Presotto
2003-12-20  2:27                           ` Christopher Nielsen
2003-12-18 18:16                     ` inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) Joel Salomon
2003-12-18 20:22                     ` jmk
2003-12-19  6:38                       ` boyd, rounin
2003-12-19  9:16                       ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2003-12-19 11:39                         ` Geoff Collyer
2003-12-19 19:19                         ` Dan Cross
2003-12-18 11:40               ` a
2003-12-18 11:24             ` boyd, rounin
2003-12-18  1:44               ` Geoff Collyer
2003-12-18 11:47                 ` boyd, rounin
2003-12-18 11:49               ` Brantley Coile
2003-12-18 21:57                 ` boyd, rounin
2003-12-18 14:54                   ` Brantley Coile
2003-12-17 14:52     ` [9fans] fortune-worthy Brantley Coile
2003-12-17 15:24       ` David Presotto
2003-12-18  7:57         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2003-12-18 12:20           ` David Presotto
2003-12-18 12:36             ` David Arnold
2003-12-18 22:38               ` boyd, rounin
2003-12-19  2:28                 ` bs
2003-12-18 21:19           ` boyd, rounin
2003-12-19  3:32           ` Drawterm and Inferno? Was: " Martin C.Atkins
2003-12-19  8:18             ` Charles Forsyth
2003-12-19  8:26               ` Martin C.Atkins
2003-12-19 15:21             ` boyd, rounin
2003-12-17 17:47       ` Charles Forsyth
2003-12-17 17:56         ` ron minnich
2003-12-17 19:06           ` David Presotto
2003-12-17 16:54     ` Lucio De Re
2003-12-17 16:55       ` Lucio De Re
2003-12-18 12:03     ` a
2003-12-18 15:12       ` Sam
2003-12-18 15:13         ` George Michaelson
2003-12-19  4:52         ` boyd, rounin
2003-12-18 21:21       ` Dan Cross
2003-12-19  1:38         ` okamoto
2003-12-19  7:33         ` boyd, rounin
2003-12-18 22:34       ` boyd, rounin
2003-12-17 16:32   ` John Stalker [this message]
2003-12-17 16:35   ` John Stalker
2003-12-17 16:41     ` mirtchov
2003-12-17 21:55     ` Micah Stetson
2003-12-17 22:15       ` mirtchov
2003-12-17 17:12   ` Dennis D. Jensen
2003-12-17  5:21 cej
2003-12-17  5:27 cej
2003-12-17  5:41 ` okamoto
2003-12-17  6:51   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2003-12-17  6:07     ` okamoto
2003-12-17 10:31       ` a
2003-12-17  5:42 cej
2003-12-19  6:15 cej
2003-12-20  3:29 Skip Tavakkolian
2003-12-20  2:41 ` David Presotto
2003-12-20  6:16   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2003-12-20  6:20     ` Skip Tavakkolian

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