* [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
@ 2012-09-25 8:52 Christopher Hobbs
2012-09-25 9:06 ` erik quanstrom
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From: Christopher Hobbs @ 2012-09-25 8:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
Being that macs don't have a proper delete key, how can I get delete
behavior to kill a program in rc short of slapping a real keyboard
on this machine?
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-25 8:52 [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx Christopher Hobbs
@ 2012-09-25 9:06 ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-25 9:22 ` Bakul Shah
2012-09-25 11:04 ` Kurt H Maier
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2012-09-25 9:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Tue Sep 25 05:03:55 EDT 2012, chris@altbit.org wrote:
> Being that macs don't have a proper delete key, how can I get delete
> behavior to kill a program in rc short of slapping a real keyboard
> on this machine?
i think it's function or apple +backspace. (doesn't work through a kvm.)
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-25 9:06 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2012-09-25 9:22 ` Bakul Shah
2012-09-25 9:26 ` erik quanstrom
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From: Bakul Shah @ 2012-09-25 9:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 05:06:54 EDT erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
> On Tue Sep 25 05:03:55 EDT 2012, chris@altbit.org wrote:
> > Being that macs don't have a proper delete key, how can I get delete
> > behavior to kill a program in rc short of slapping a real keyboard
> > on this machine?
>
> i think it's function or apple +backspace. (doesn't work through a kvm.)
fn+delete works on both local and remote (X11 based) p9p acme and 9vx.
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-25 9:22 ` Bakul Shah
@ 2012-09-25 9:26 ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-25 9:39 ` andrey mirtchovski
[not found] ` <CAK4xykU+ZgTKa-enOhAJKDp3=+sT-T-v+6QJY_fa1a87gKMf2Q@mail.gmail.c>
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2012-09-25 9:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> > i think it's function or apple +backspace. (doesn't work through a kvm.)
>
> fn+delete works on both local and remote (X11 based) p9p acme and 9vx.
obviously not necessary when using a full-size keyboard, and there is a
real delete on those keyboards.
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-25 9:26 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2012-09-25 9:39 ` andrey mirtchovski
2012-09-25 9:47 ` Bakul Shah
2012-09-26 7:21 ` Yaroslav
[not found] ` <CAK4xykU+ZgTKa-enOhAJKDp3=+sT-T-v+6QJY_fa1a87gKMf2Q@mail.gmail.c>
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From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2012-09-25 9:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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> obviously not necessary when using a full-size keyboard, and there is a
> real delete on those keyboards.
none of these works with an rc shell. all i see is:
^[[3~
printed with each method. repeatedly as i bash the keyboard with my stubby
fingers :)
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
[not found] ` <CAK4xykU+ZgTKa-enOhAJKDp3=+sT-T-v+6QJY_fa1a87gKMf2Q@mail.gmail.c>
@ 2012-09-25 9:42 ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-25 9:49 ` andrey mirtchovski
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2012-09-25 9:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Tue Sep 25 05:40:05 EDT 2012, mirtchovski@gmail.com wrote:
> > obviously not necessary when using a full-size keyboard, and there is a
> > real delete on those keyboards.
>
> none of these works with an rc shell. all i see is:
>
> ^[[3~
>
> printed with each method. repeatedly as i bash the keyboard with my stubby
> fingers :)
works with my old copy of p9p in 9term. when did p9p go broken?
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-25 9:39 ` andrey mirtchovski
@ 2012-09-25 9:47 ` Bakul Shah
2012-09-25 9:50 ` andrey mirtchovski
2012-09-26 7:21 ` Yaroslav
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From: Bakul Shah @ 2012-09-25 9:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 03:39:14 MDT andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > obviously not necessary when using a full-size keyboard, and there is a
> > real delete on those keyboards.
>
> none of these works with an rc shell. all i see is:
>
> ^[[3~
You must be running p9p rc in a terminal window on the mac!
For that the interrupt key is whatever stty all shows you.
Probably ^C. If you are running rc under p9p acme or 9vx on
the mac fn+delete is the interrupt key. The same works with
a remote X windows p9p acme or 9vx or plan9/qemu running rc.
> printed with each method. repeatedly as i bash the keyboard with my stubby
> fingers :)
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-25 9:42 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2012-09-25 9:49 ` andrey mirtchovski
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From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2012-09-25 9:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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>
>
> works with my old copy of p9p in 9term. when did p9p go broken?
>
>
i don't know. here's what i got with mac book and normal keyboards plugged
in today:
http://i.imgur.com/9Jfqm.png
notably, ctrl+c worked.
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-25 9:47 ` Bakul Shah
@ 2012-09-25 9:50 ` andrey mirtchovski
2012-09-25 10:07 ` Bakul Shah
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From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2012-09-25 9:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> You must be running p9p rc in a terminal window on the mac!
> For that the interrupt key is whatever stty all shows you.
> Probably ^C. If you are running rc under p9p acme or 9vx on
> the mac fn+delete is the interrupt key. The same works with
> a remote X windows p9p acme or 9vx or plan9/qemu running rc.
great! now how do we solve OP's problem?
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-25 9:50 ` andrey mirtchovski
@ 2012-09-25 10:07 ` Bakul Shah
2012-09-25 10:51 ` hiro
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From: Bakul Shah @ 2012-09-25 10:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 03:50:41 MDT andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You must be running p9p rc in a terminal window on the mac!
> > For that the interrupt key is whatever stty all shows you.
> > Probably ^C. If you are running rc under p9p acme or 9vx on
> > the mac fn+delete is the interrupt key. The same works with
> > a remote X windows p9p acme or 9vx or plan9/qemu running rc.
>
> great! now how do we solve OP's problem?
If he is running rc in a terminal window, he can use ^C. If
he is running rc in acme, he can use fn+delete to kill a
program. Assuming I have not misunderstood his problem. Which
I probably have, given how many messages have been exchanged!
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-25 10:07 ` Bakul Shah
@ 2012-09-25 10:51 ` hiro
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From: hiro @ 2012-09-25 10:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Just use a multitouch gesture on the magic mouse. This makes it
completely keyboard agnostic.
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-25 8:52 [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx Christopher Hobbs
2012-09-25 9:06 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2012-09-25 11:04 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-09-25 11:28 ` Bruce Ellis
2012-09-25 15:33 ` Christian Neukirchen
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From: Kurt H Maier @ 2012-09-25 11:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 08:52:40AM +0000, Christopher Hobbs wrote:
> Being that macs don't have a proper delete key, how can I get delete
> behavior to kill a program in rc short of slapping a real keyboard
> on this machine?
>
delete to kill a program is a function of rio/9term/acme, not a function
of rc.
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-25 11:04 ` Kurt H Maier
@ 2012-09-25 11:28 ` Bruce Ellis
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From: Bruce Ellis @ 2012-09-25 11:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
"hit with brick - fixed!" - unknown source
On 25 September 2012 21:04, Kurt H Maier <khm-9@intma.in> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 08:52:40AM +0000, Christopher Hobbs wrote:
>> Being that macs don't have a proper delete key, how can I get delete
>> behavior to kill a program in rc short of slapping a real keyboard
>> on this machine?
>>
> delete to kill a program is a function of rio/9term/acme, not a function
> of rc.
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-25 8:52 [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx Christopher Hobbs
2012-09-25 9:06 ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-25 11:04 ` Kurt H Maier
@ 2012-09-25 15:33 ` Christian Neukirchen
2012-09-25 16:45 ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-26 8:35 ` Christian Neukirchen
2012-09-26 15:50 ` Christian Neukirchen
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From: Christian Neukirchen @ 2012-09-25 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
khm-9@intma.in (Kurt H Maier) writes:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 08:52:40AM +0000, Christopher Hobbs wrote:
>> Being that macs don't have a proper delete key, how can I get delete
>> behavior to kill a program in rc short of slapping a real keyboard
>> on this machine?
>>
> delete to kill a program is a function of rio/9term/acme, not a function
> of rc.
Not true. It's a feature of the terminal line discipline.
% stty
speed 38400 baud; line = 0;
intr = ^?; erase = ^H;
(The problem is that this only allows single chars as special keys,
so you can't bind '^[[3~'.)
(Actually, p9p 9term always sends the current intr-char on Delete, while
acme/win and matty's 9term always send ^?.)
Cheers,
--
Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@gmail.com> http://chneukirchen.org
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-25 15:33 ` Christian Neukirchen
@ 2012-09-25 16:45 ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-25 18:49 ` Jiten Pathy
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2012-09-25 16:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Tue Sep 25 11:44:21 EDT 2012, chneukirchen@gmail.com wrote:
> khm-9@intma.in (Kurt H Maier) writes:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 08:52:40AM +0000, Christopher Hobbs wrote:
> >> Being that macs don't have a proper delete key, how can I get delete
> >> behavior to kill a program in rc short of slapping a real keyboard
> >> on this machine?
> >>
> > delete to kill a program is a function of rio/9term/acme, not a function
> > of rc.
>
> Not true. It's a feature of the terminal line discipline.
>
> (The problem is that this only allows single chars as special keys,
> so you can't bind '^[[3~'.)
>
> (Actually, p9p 9term always sends the current intr-char on Delete, while
> acme/win and matty's 9term always send ^?.)
the interrupt is delivered through the star wars-vintage
imperial garbage chute known as the tty subsystem, but
when i start 9term, stty intr is reset from ^C to ^?.
and if i change it back, then the fn+delete generates
escape codes, rather than an interrupt.
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-25 16:45 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2012-09-25 18:49 ` Jiten Pathy
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From: Jiten Pathy @ 2012-09-25 18:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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Not surprisingly i have 15+ threaded mail relted to osx.
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:15 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>wrote:
> On Tue Sep 25 11:44:21 EDT 2012, chneukirchen@gmail.com wrote:
> > khm-9@intma.in (Kurt H Maier) writes:
> >
> > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 08:52:40AM +0000, Christopher Hobbs wrote:
> > >> Being that macs don't have a proper delete key, how can I get delete
> > >> behavior to kill a program in rc short of slapping a real keyboard
> > >> on this machine?
> > >>
> > > delete to kill a program is a function of rio/9term/acme, not a
> function
> > > of rc.
> >
> > Not true. It's a feature of the terminal line discipline.
> >
> > (The problem is that this only allows single chars as special keys,
> > so you can't bind '^[[3~'.)
> >
> > (Actually, p9p 9term always sends the current intr-char on Delete, while
> > acme/win and matty's 9term always send ^?.)
>
> the interrupt is delivered through the star wars-vintage
> imperial garbage chute known as the tty subsystem, but
> when i start 9term, stty intr is reset from ^C to ^?.
> and if i change it back, then the fn+delete generates
> escape codes, rather than an interrupt.
>
> - erik
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-25 9:39 ` andrey mirtchovski
2012-09-25 9:47 ` Bakul Shah
@ 2012-09-26 7:21 ` Yaroslav
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From: Yaroslav @ 2012-09-26 7:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
just to make it clear: is this in 9term?
2012/9/25 andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com>:
>> obviously not necessary when using a full-size keyboard, and there is a
>> real delete on those keyboards.
>
> none of these works with an rc shell. all i see is:
>
> ^[[3~
>
> printed with each method. repeatedly as i bash the keyboard with my stubby
> fingers :)
--
- Yaroslav
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-25 8:52 [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx Christopher Hobbs
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2012-09-25 15:33 ` Christian Neukirchen
@ 2012-09-26 8:35 ` Christian Neukirchen
2012-09-26 11:43 ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-26 15:50 ` Christian Neukirchen
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From: Christian Neukirchen @ 2012-09-26 8:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
quanstro@quanstro.net (erik quanstrom) writes:
> On Tue Sep 25 11:44:21 EDT 2012, chneukirchen@gmail.com wrote:
>> khm-9@intma.in (Kurt H Maier) writes:
>>
>> > On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 08:52:40AM +0000, Christopher Hobbs wrote:
>> >> Being that macs don't have a proper delete key, how can I get delete
>> >> behavior to kill a program in rc short of slapping a real keyboard
>> >> on this machine?
>> >>
>> > delete to kill a program is a function of rio/9term/acme, not a function
>> > of rc.
>>
>> Not true. It's a feature of the terminal line discipline.
>>
>> (The problem is that this only allows single chars as special keys,
>> so you can't bind '^[[3~'.)
>>
>> (Actually, p9p 9term always sends the current intr-char on Delete, while
>> acme/win and matty's 9term always send ^?.)
>
> the interrupt is delivered through the star wars-vintage
> imperial garbage chute known as the tty subsystem, but
> when i start 9term, stty intr is reset from ^C to ^?.
> and if i change it back, then the fn+delete generates
> escape codes, rather than an interrupt.
Not on my p9p 9term:
% stty
speed 38400 baud; line = 0;
intr = ^?; erase = ^H;
-brkint -imaxbel
-onlcr onocr
% cat
^?
% stty intr '^C'
% cat
^C
% cat
<Press C-c, RET here>
^C
I pressed DEL twice, and after that C-c. The second DEL sends C-c, see
/opt/plan9/src/cmd/9term/9term.c:441:winterrupt(Window *w)
--
Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@gmail.com> http://chneukirchen.org
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-26 8:35 ` Christian Neukirchen
@ 2012-09-26 11:43 ` erik quanstrom
0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: erik quanstrom @ 2012-09-26 11:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> >> > delete to kill a program is a function of rio/9term/acme, not a function
> >> > of rc.
> >>
> >> Not true. It's a feature of the terminal line discipline.
> >>
> >> (The problem is that this only allows single chars as special keys,
> >> so you can't bind '^[[3~'.)
> >>
> >> (Actually, p9p 9term always sends the current intr-char on Delete, while
> >> acme/win and matty's 9term always send ^?.)
> >
> > the interrupt is delivered through the star wars-vintage
> > imperial garbage chute known as the tty subsystem, but
> > when i start 9term, stty intr is reset from ^C to ^?.
> > and if i change it back, then the fn+delete generates
> > escape codes, rather than an interrupt.
>
> Not on my p9p 9term:
>
uh, looks like you didn't read what i wrote. that's exactly what
i said.
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx
2012-09-25 8:52 [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx Christopher Hobbs
` (3 preceding siblings ...)
2012-09-26 8:35 ` Christian Neukirchen
@ 2012-09-26 15:50 ` Christian Neukirchen
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From: Christian Neukirchen @ 2012-09-26 15:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
quanstro@quanstro.net (erik quanstrom) writes:
>> > the interrupt is delivered through the star wars-vintage
>> > imperial garbage chute known as the tty subsystem, but
>> > when i start 9term, stty intr is reset from ^C to ^?.
>> > and if i change it back, then the fn+delete generates
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > escape codes, rather than an interrupt.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> Not on my p9p 9term:
>>
>
> uh, looks like you didn't read what i wrote. that's exactly what
> i said.
This is not what's happening: delete (which you type as fn-backspace, I
guess?) always sends the intr char, nevermind what it is set to
(in 9term, not acme!).
--
Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@gmail.com> http://chneukirchen.org
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