[9fans] OT: Bulgarian Input over Drawterm?

[9fans] OT: Bulgarian Input over Drawterm?

[LiteStar numnums]

Hello all,
 I'm currently learning Bulgarian, and would like to send Cyrillc
input over the wire to Plan9 via Drawterm. My wife is a native
speaker, so I have FlexType installed on the only non-Unix/Plan9 box
in the house, which does not work over Drawterm. Does anyone know of a
useful way to send Cyrillic input over the wire through Drawterm? (I
guess I'm pointing this one directly at Mirtchov). Cheers!
 -- Stefan Edwards
-- 
In possibility the eternal, rightly understood, continually lays out
only a small piece at a time
In possibility the eternal is continually near enough to be at hand
and yet far enough away to keep man advancing towards the
eternal, on the way, in forward movement. In this way the ternal lures
and draws a person, in the possible, from craddle to grave
if he just chooses to hope
   <<Soren Kierkegaard>>

Re: [9fans] OT: Bulgarian Input over Drawterm?

[andrey mirtchovski]

On 6/2/05, LiteStar numnums <litestar@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>  I'm currently learning Bulgarian, and would like to send Cyrillc
> input over the wire to Plan9 via Drawterm. My wife is a native
> speaker, so I have FlexType installed on the only non-Unix/Plan9 box
> in the house, which does not work over Drawterm. Does anyone know of a
> useful way to send Cyrillic input over the wire through Drawterm? (I
> guess I'm pointing this one directly at Mirtchov). Cheers!
>  -- Stefan Edwards

Hi Stefan,

I'm able to type Cyrillic in drawterm and all the drawterm binaries
(and source) available from ucalgary have this ability, however this
is restricted only to X-windows and MacOSX. Drawterm for windows will,
as far as I know, not allow you to input extended ascii or unicode.

It's unfortunate that I have no suitable windows development
environment and am not familiar with windows' input codes and I'm of
very little help with this one.

Others on this list may help answering how difficult it would be to
"port" /sys/src/9/port/devkbmap.c to drawterm, which would give you
the ability to switch between keyboard layouts within drawterm, as it
is done in native Plan 9 (and yes, there is a bulgarian phonetic
layout there). I may look at that tomorrow, but indeed there's no
promise of any actual results :)

I know this doesn't help much, but if you get your hands on an X
terminal I can guide you through configuring it for Cyrillic input,
which drawterm will then accept gladly (it knows about X's keymaps).
Just send me an email.

Cheers (Наздраве): Andrey

Re: [9fans] OT: Bulgarian Input over Drawterm?

[LiteStar numnums]

Hello (Здраветe и Добро утро) Andrey,
 Thanks for the information; this at least stops me from searching for
reasons why the setup on my wife's laptop is 'broken'. I'll setup
another machine to see if it works from OpenBSD's drawterm (most
probably will); should have a better workstation to server ratio
anyway.
I'll grab the sources from your site, and play around with the input
here too, since it should work on Windblows (although I am rather
ignorant of Windows' workings on a development level; damn you Unix &
VMS for stealing my programing training!). I'll shoot you off another
email after this one about configuring X with Cyrillics.
Наздраве,
 -- Stefan
> Hi Stefan,
> 
> I'm able to type Cyrillic in drawterm and all the drawterm binaries
> (and source) available from ucalgary have this ability, however this
> is restricted only to X-windows and MacOSX. Drawterm for windows will,
> as far as I know, not allow you to input extended ascii or unicode.
> 
> It's unfortunate that I have no suitable windows development
> environment and am not familiar with windows' input codes and I'm of
> very little help with this one.
>
> Others on this list may help answering how difficult it would be to
> "port" /sys/src/9/port/devkbmap.c to drawterm, which would give you
> the ability to switch between keyboard layouts within drawterm, as it
> is done in native Plan 9 (and yes, there is a bulgarian phonetic
> layout there). I may look at that tomorrow, but indeed there's no
> promise of any actual results :)
> 
> I know this doesn't help much, but if you get your hands on an X
> terminal I can guide you through configuring it for Cyrillic input,
> which drawterm will then accept gladly (it knows about X's keymaps).
> Just send me an email.
> 
> Cheers (Наздраве): Andrey
> 


-- 
In possibility the eternal, rightly understood, continually lays out
only a small piece at a time
In possibility the eternal is continually near enough to be at hand
and yet far enough away to keep man advancing towards the
eternal, on the way, in forward movement. In this way the ternal lures
and draws a person, in the possible, from craddle to grave
if he just chooses to hope
   <<Soren Kierkegaard>>

Re: [9fans] OT: Bulgarian Input over Drawterm?

[Sergey Reva]

Hello Fans,

just now look to drawterm code, and...

Drawterm already unicode-enabled, because WM_CHAR use UTF-16.

put
#define UNICODE
before
#include <windows.h>

use L"" macros to initialize strings which follow to winapi

Use standard Windows facility to change keyboard map.

or just download http://rs-rlab.narod.ru/files/drawterm.exe
(if you feel problem with downloading visit my site, go to section
Downloads and download from there. Free hosting - is bad hosting)

I assume screen-win.c used for now and winscreen.c is artifact.

Sergey
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http://rs-rlab.narod.ru                            mailto:rs_rlab@mail.ru

Re: [9fans] OT: Bulgarian Input over Drawterm?

[andrey mirtchovski]

> Drawterm already unicode-enabled, because WM_CHAR use UTF-16.

great, that solves the problem :)

i'll still email you about enabling cyrillic on X, Stefan :)

Re: [9fans] OT: Bulgarian Input over Drawterm?

[LiteStar numnums]

>or just download http://rs-rlab.narod.ru/files/drawterm.exe
>(if you feel problem with downloading visit my site, go to section
>Downloads and download from there. Free hosting - is bad hosting)
hmm, this pukes on my machine; It runs under the insippid NTVDM,
meaning that Windblows things that it is a 16 bit app. I'll try
applying your patches to the drawterm source.
On 6/2/05, andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Drawterm already unicode-enabled, because WM_CHAR use UTF-16.
> 
> great, that solves the problem :)
> 
> i'll still email you about enabling cyrillic on X, Stefan :)
> 
Cool. I've never done anything 'exotic' with X; It normally just works
after setting up the cards or the network source for Xvnc. Thanks! =)
Cheers!


-- 
In possibility the eternal, rightly understood, continually lays out
only a small piece at a time
In possibility the eternal is continually near enough to be at hand
and yet far enough away to keep man advancing towards the
eternal, on the way, in forward movement. In this way the ternal lures
and draws a person, in the possible, from craddle to grave
if he just chooses to hope
   <<Soren Kierkegaard>>

Re: [9fans] OT: Bulgarian Input over Drawterm?

[Sergey Reva]

Hello LiteStar,

Thursday, June 2, 2005, 7:14:10 PM, you wrote:
Ln> hmm, this pukes on my machine; It runs under the insippid NTVDM,
Ln> meaning that Windblows things that it is a 16 bit app. I'll try
Ln> applying your patches to the drawterm source.
There is no 16-bit part inside...

Anyway I download new source (thanks tip9ug for that service)
and rebuild with UNICODE
i am add wheel mouse support for windows version
for now file size is 243712
try that...

who is now maintain drawterm, did you need this patch?

Sergey
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http://rs-rlab.narod.ru                            mailto:rs_rlab@mail.ru

Re: [9fans] OT: Bulgarian Input over Drawterm?

[andrey mirtchovski]

send it to mirtchov at cpsc.ucalgary

do send a binary too.

Re: [9fans] OT: Bulgarian Input over Drawterm?

[Sergey Reva]

Hello Fans,

There is bug in drawterm with unicode, which not allow access
to host file system in Windows, so i undefine UNICODE for devntfs.c
and rebuild binary (for now packed with zip)
http://rs-rlab.narod.ru/files/drawterm.zip

Would be nice if those who test it report to me... thanks in advance

Sergey
-- 
http://rs-rlab.narod.ru                            mailto:rs_rlab@mail.ru

Re: [9fans] OT: Bulgarian Input over Drawterm?

[YAMANASHI Takeshi]

Or you can use ktrans for that?
	http://basalt.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp/plan9/s39.html
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