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From: Charles Forsyth <forsyth@terzarima.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: advantages of limbo
Date: Tue,  2 Mar 2004 08:45:42 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <412645f8ec82b5c83ff0eee114c5cadf@terzarima.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200403020812.i228CiXH071469@adat.davidashen.net>

one of the reasons that Limbo runs in much smaller spaces than
any Java i've ever seen is that most storage is reclaimed by
the reference counter, because many common structures
are not, in fact, cyclic.  DAGs by definition are not cyclic.
when programming (even on large machines)
it is good discipline (as Wirth observed) not to create the
garbage in the first place.  that also means that the incremental
garbage collector can be less obtrusive.

>>is there any other reason reference loops are not very common amongs
>>limbo programmers besides limitations of the garbage collector?

oh for heaven's sake.  i must not be explaining this very well.
there is no [inherent] `limitation of the garbage collector'.
it garbage collects arbitrary rubbish just fine.  the reference counted
side does, however, reclaim storage the very instant the data becomes rubbish,
which must certainly yield a smaller working set than any garbage collector
scheme that has one always trundling along later.



  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-02  8:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <f62d09b11d1f097b3f4b5f6b70b65ea5@proxima.alt.za>
2004-03-02  6:58 ` David Tolpin
2004-03-02  7:06   ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-03-02  7:08     ` David Tolpin
2004-03-02  7:14       ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-03-02  7:30         ` David Tolpin
2004-03-02  7:37           ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-03-02  7:48             ` David Tolpin
2004-03-02  9:50               ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-03-02 20:50               ` Andrew Simmons
2004-03-02 20:56                 ` matt
2004-03-02 20:57                   ` ron minnich
2004-03-02 12:44           ` Bruce Ellis
2004-03-02  7:50   ` lucio
2004-03-02  7:56     ` David Tolpin
2004-03-02  8:12       ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-02  8:12         ` David Tolpin
2004-03-02  8:45           ` Charles Forsyth [this message]
2004-03-02  8:51             ` David Tolpin
2004-03-02  9:06               ` David Presotto
2004-03-02  9:14                 ` David Tolpin
2004-03-02  9:26                   ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-02 15:04       ` rog
2004-03-02 15:12         ` David Tolpin
2004-03-02 16:03         ` C H Forsyth
2004-03-02 16:06           ` David Tolpin
2004-03-02 16:24             ` David Tolpin
2004-03-02 16:35             ` C H Forsyth
2004-03-02 17:18     ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-03-02 12:39   ` Bruce Ellis
2004-03-02  8:02 David Presotto
2004-03-02  8:20 ` David Tolpin
2004-03-02  8:55   ` David Presotto
2004-03-02  9:20   ` Rob Pike
     [not found] <918d202b192f1bcb8dd969285010a329@proxima.alt.za>
2004-03-02  8:37 ` David Tolpin
     [not found] <d02d8014f5f4b58c6863ec7a3cd652ee@proxima.alt.za>
2004-03-02  9:07 ` David Tolpin
2004-03-02 10:04   ` lucio
2004-03-02 10:08     ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-03-02 11:35       ` matt
2004-03-02 18:38         ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-02 19:03           ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-03-02 19:10             ` rog
2004-03-02 19:08               ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-03-02 15:03 rog
2004-03-03  7:21 YAMANASHI Takeshi
2004-03-03  7:29 ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-03-03  7:31   ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-03-03  7:37 YAMANASHI Takeshi
2004-03-03 12:29 ` boyd, rounin

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