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From: Ronald G Minnich <rminnich@lanl.gov>
To: David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com>,
	Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] ndis-ulator for plan 9
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:56:57 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4332C639.8040607@lanl.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3e1162e605092207172e74e9cb@mail.gmail.com>

David Leimbach wrote:

> All of this begins to remind me why I normally don't muck around in OS
> kernels.  It's so really not fun or interesting to deal with the
> braindead-ness of hardware.

it's not all bad. USB was a trainwreck from day one. But there's 
infiniban- oh, wait, that's kind of icky too. Well, there's always 
BlueToot -- oh, wait, I'm told that makes USB look sane.

well, still, you still shouldn't give up so easily.

Ah, then, maybe chipset work? You could work with the chipsets and -- 
oh, wait, vendors won't let you see them. Hmm. Well, they're kinda ugly 
anwyay.

Well, there's the busses! Yes, the busses! check out PCI-E, which does 
ARQ in hardware! Now there's some fun -- oh, no, it's not fun at all, 
Forgive me, I forgot. And, I am told, it has just as high latency as 
PCI-X, because of all the extra glop that got added to support ARQ in 
hardware. Hmm.

Well, if you don't want to do hardware, consider the low-level software 
stuff that vendors are pushing, like EFI and ACPI, they're really pretty 
nic -- oh, wait, they're awful.

ah, hmm. Well! this is interesting. I'm putting my life into stuff that 
sucks. What am I doing here?

I shoulda gone to work for a railroad. If you get mad at something on 
the railroad, you get to hit it with a spike hammer (I learned this from 
experience). Although at times I would like to hit a computer with a 
spike hammer. Spike hammers have a nice heft to them, and would leave a 
nice round hole in most computers -- metal cases are no problem.

Or maybe be a window washer! ".... a window washer me ..."

ron


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-09-22 14:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-08-16  3:07 [9fans] vmware 5.0 Tim Newsham
2005-08-21 20:17 ` Russ Cox
2005-08-23  8:30   ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-23 17:44     ` Gorka guardiola
2005-08-23 17:54       ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-23 18:55       ` Steve Simon
2005-08-23 19:07         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2005-08-23 19:28           ` Scott Stout
2005-08-23 19:38             ` Devon H. O'Dell
2005-08-23 19:26         ` Gorka guardiola
2005-08-23 12:34           ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-23 20:25             ` Gorka guardiola
2005-08-24 12:07               ` Francisco Ballesteros
2005-08-24 15:34                 ` LiteStar numnums
2005-08-23 19:48           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2005-08-23 19:54             ` [9fans] procreate vs threadcreate? rattan
2005-08-23 19:58               ` Brantley Coile
2005-08-23 20:00               ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-08-23 20:02               ` Russ Cox
2005-08-25  2:41             ` [9fans] vmware 5.0 Martin C. Atkins
2005-08-25  4:38               ` Tim Newsham
2005-08-27  9:53               ` Vester Thacker
2005-08-27 10:01                 ` Vester Thacker
2005-08-27 12:35                 ` Jun OKAJIMA
2005-08-27 14:01                   ` [9fans] Xen for Windows(Was:vmware 5.0) Jun OKAJIMA
2005-08-27 15:47                     ` kokamoto
2005-08-27 17:33                       ` Steve Simon
2005-08-28  1:22                       ` kokamoto
2005-08-28 12:04                         ` Brantley Coile
2005-08-28 12:40                           ` lucio
2005-08-28 14:24                             ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-28 13:40                           ` Martin Harriss
2005-08-28 14:25                             ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-28 16:27                               ` kokamoto
2005-08-28 16:43                                 ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-28 14:19                           ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-28 18:18                           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2005-08-29  0:06                             ` Brantley Coile
2005-08-31 15:01                           ` Gorka guardiola
2005-08-31 17:19                             ` McLone
2005-09-01  3:59                               ` [9fans] ndis-ulator for plan 9 Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-01  7:31                                 ` Dave Lukes
2005-09-01  7:39                                   ` Devon H. O'Dell
2005-09-01  8:08                                     ` balaji
2005-09-01 15:03                                   ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-01 15:34                                     ` McLone
2005-09-01 15:40                                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-02 16:02                                         ` Dave Lukes
2005-09-03 11:41                                         ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-03 15:20                                           ` lucio
2005-09-03 15:21                                           ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-03 15:40                                             ` Russ Cox
2005-09-04 15:28                                               ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-05  5:42                                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-06  4:16                                                 ` David Leimbach
2005-09-01 16:28                                     ` Dave Lukes
2005-09-01 19:35                                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-01 21:30                                         ` Devon O'Dell
2005-09-03 17:34                                 ` Jack Johnson
2005-09-21 18:35                                 ` Dave Lukes
2005-09-21 18:46                                   ` Uriel
2005-09-21 19:14                                     ` Russ Cox
2005-09-21 19:33                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-21 19:36                                       ` David Leimbach
2005-09-21 20:04                                         ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-21 22:51                                           ` David Leimbach
2005-09-21 23:05                                             ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-22  1:26                                               ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-09-22  2:40                                                 ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22  7:58                                               ` Nigel Roles
2005-09-22 13:50                                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-22 14:17                                                   ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22 14:20                                                     ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                                                     ` <d49d18945f1d149f28a9290e6ad56f6c@terzarima.net>
2005-09-22 14:40                                                       ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22 14:56                                                     ` Ronald G Minnich [this message]
2005-09-22 15:01                                                       ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22 22:53                                                       ` George Michaelson
2005-09-23  9:06                                                         ` Nigel Roles
2005-09-23  7:13                                                       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
     [not found]                                             ` <ac600c5a0c06881fc8bf6b5828b8a36b@terzarima.net>
2005-09-22  2:39                                               ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22  3:47                                                 ` Russ Cox
2005-09-21 19:25                                     ` Dave Lukes
2005-08-31 17:52                           ` [9fans] Xen for Windows(Was:vmware 5.0) Martin C. Atkins
2005-09-01  0:21                             ` Brantley Coile
2005-09-01  3:23                               ` Tim Newsham
2005-09-01 16:34                               ` Harri Haataja
2005-08-28 14:07                       ` Ronald G Minnich

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