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From: Brantley Coile <brantley@coraid.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Xen for Windows(Was:vmware 5.0)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:21:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aa1173e3536cd1325017fbf25e11fbb2@coraid.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050831185210.1218a746@localhost.localdomain>

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these are good reasons and bring to mind a question.  why don't we
define a generic microkernel that all these systems can use and not
have to go to all the tricks of VM?

i now that the usual definition for a microkernel is the part that
supports all the processes that really make up the OS. but if we had a
generic microkernel then people could write device drivers for that an
all the other OSs could use that.

i'm not holding my breath on the above, so next question.  is the structure
of windows device driver environments well known enough to build a
small `container' to use off-the-shelf windows drivers on plan 9?

  Brantley

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From: "Martin C. Atkins" <martin_ml@parvat.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Xen for Windows(Was:vmware 5.0)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:52:10 +0100
Message-ID: <20050831185210.1218a746@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:04:34 -0400 Brantley Coile <brantley@coraid.com> wrote:
> i too am both curious as to the motivations for VM and completely open

My reasons:
1) I hate mucking with partitions - too much chance of zapping something important
by mistake, and they *always* end up being the wrong size, regardless of how much
planning I do... With a VM, the filesystems can be in normal files, which doesn't
completely avoid the problem, but removes the day-to-day need to re-partition.

2) Machines are cheap, but (desk/office/etc) space is not. Virtual machines
don't take up real space!

3) 2 in another guise - I don't want to carry n>1 laptops!

4) I can move virtual machines between physical machines just by copying
the filesystems.

5) Compatibility with OSs I don't want to run all the time (without rebooting)

All the other things people have mentioned...

Martin

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Martin C. Atkins			martin_ml@parvat.com
Parvat Infotech Private Limited		http://www.parvat.com{/,/martin}

  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-01  0:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-08-16  3:07 [9fans] vmware 5.0 Tim Newsham
2005-08-21 20:17 ` Russ Cox
2005-08-23  8:30   ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-23 17:44     ` Gorka guardiola
2005-08-23 17:54       ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-23 18:55       ` Steve Simon
2005-08-23 19:07         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2005-08-23 19:28           ` Scott Stout
2005-08-23 19:38             ` Devon H. O'Dell
2005-08-23 19:26         ` Gorka guardiola
2005-08-23 12:34           ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-23 20:25             ` Gorka guardiola
2005-08-24 12:07               ` Francisco Ballesteros
2005-08-24 15:34                 ` LiteStar numnums
2005-08-23 19:48           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2005-08-23 19:54             ` [9fans] procreate vs threadcreate? rattan
2005-08-23 19:58               ` Brantley Coile
2005-08-23 20:00               ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-08-23 20:02               ` Russ Cox
2005-08-25  2:41             ` [9fans] vmware 5.0 Martin C. Atkins
2005-08-25  4:38               ` Tim Newsham
2005-08-27  9:53               ` Vester Thacker
2005-08-27 10:01                 ` Vester Thacker
2005-08-27 12:35                 ` Jun OKAJIMA
2005-08-27 14:01                   ` [9fans] Xen for Windows(Was:vmware 5.0) Jun OKAJIMA
2005-08-27 15:47                     ` kokamoto
2005-08-27 17:33                       ` Steve Simon
2005-08-28  1:22                       ` kokamoto
2005-08-28 12:04                         ` Brantley Coile
2005-08-28 12:40                           ` lucio
2005-08-28 14:24                             ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-28 13:40                           ` Martin Harriss
2005-08-28 14:25                             ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-28 16:27                               ` kokamoto
2005-08-28 16:43                                 ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-28 14:19                           ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-28 18:18                           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2005-08-29  0:06                             ` Brantley Coile
2005-08-31 15:01                           ` Gorka guardiola
2005-08-31 17:19                             ` McLone
2005-09-01  3:59                               ` [9fans] ndis-ulator for plan 9 Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-01  7:31                                 ` Dave Lukes
2005-09-01  7:39                                   ` Devon H. O'Dell
2005-09-01  8:08                                     ` balaji
2005-09-01 15:03                                   ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-01 15:34                                     ` McLone
2005-09-01 15:40                                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-02 16:02                                         ` Dave Lukes
2005-09-03 11:41                                         ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-03 15:20                                           ` lucio
2005-09-03 15:21                                           ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-03 15:40                                             ` Russ Cox
2005-09-04 15:28                                               ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-05  5:42                                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-06  4:16                                                 ` David Leimbach
2005-09-01 16:28                                     ` Dave Lukes
2005-09-01 19:35                                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-01 21:30                                         ` Devon O'Dell
2005-09-03 17:34                                 ` Jack Johnson
2005-09-21 18:35                                 ` Dave Lukes
2005-09-21 18:46                                   ` Uriel
2005-09-21 19:14                                     ` Russ Cox
2005-09-21 19:33                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-21 19:36                                       ` David Leimbach
2005-09-21 20:04                                         ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-21 22:51                                           ` David Leimbach
2005-09-21 23:05                                             ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-22  1:26                                               ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-09-22  2:40                                                 ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22  7:58                                               ` Nigel Roles
2005-09-22 13:50                                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-22 14:17                                                   ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22 14:20                                                     ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                                                     ` <d49d18945f1d149f28a9290e6ad56f6c@terzarima.net>
2005-09-22 14:40                                                       ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22 14:56                                                     ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-22 15:01                                                       ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22 22:53                                                       ` George Michaelson
2005-09-23  9:06                                                         ` Nigel Roles
2005-09-23  7:13                                                       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
     [not found]                                             ` <ac600c5a0c06881fc8bf6b5828b8a36b@terzarima.net>
2005-09-22  2:39                                               ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22  3:47                                                 ` Russ Cox
2005-09-21 19:25                                     ` Dave Lukes
2005-08-31 17:52                           ` [9fans] Xen for Windows(Was:vmware 5.0) Martin C. Atkins
2005-09-01  0:21                             ` Brantley Coile [this message]
2005-09-01  3:23                               ` Tim Newsham
2005-09-01 16:34                               ` Harri Haataja
2005-08-28 14:07                       ` Ronald G Minnich

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