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From: Dave Lukes <davel@anvil.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] ndis-ulator for plan 9
Date: Fri,  2 Sep 2005 17:02:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43187797.2050009@anvil.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <431720D9.3030802@lanl.gov>

 > david lukes, it's starting already.

The Allies have declared War on the Axis of Pragmatism!
The Openhardwareistas are rallying their allies!!
Hark! I hear the massed mumblings of angry hordes of Jeepeyells!
Head for the hills before they lobotomise us for booting a tainted OS!!!

 > open specs are fine.

... for people who like writing drivers (like I did 20 years ago).

My faint memories of driver hacking suggest that specs, open or otherwise,
were seldom as problematical as the hardware.

Basically you treat the manual as a kind of fuzzy photo:
it tells you what's where and vaguely what it looks like.
You then fumble around blindly until it actually works well enough for 
your purposes
and move on.

What you really need is the dude(s) who carved the ASIC sitting next to you.

 > people are not dropping out of the  sky with plan 9 drivers in their 
hands, even for hardware we have specs for.

Yuk. What a gruesome thought.
And even if they did, we'd have to clean the bits of splattered corpse 
off before we could use them.

:-),
    Dave.



  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-02 16:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-08-16  3:07 [9fans] vmware 5.0 Tim Newsham
2005-08-21 20:17 ` Russ Cox
2005-08-23  8:30   ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-23 17:44     ` Gorka guardiola
2005-08-23 17:54       ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-23 18:55       ` Steve Simon
2005-08-23 19:07         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2005-08-23 19:28           ` Scott Stout
2005-08-23 19:38             ` Devon H. O'Dell
2005-08-23 19:26         ` Gorka guardiola
2005-08-23 12:34           ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-23 20:25             ` Gorka guardiola
2005-08-24 12:07               ` Francisco Ballesteros
2005-08-24 15:34                 ` LiteStar numnums
2005-08-23 19:48           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2005-08-23 19:54             ` [9fans] procreate vs threadcreate? rattan
2005-08-23 19:58               ` Brantley Coile
2005-08-23 20:00               ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-08-23 20:02               ` Russ Cox
2005-08-25  2:41             ` [9fans] vmware 5.0 Martin C. Atkins
2005-08-25  4:38               ` Tim Newsham
2005-08-27  9:53               ` Vester Thacker
2005-08-27 10:01                 ` Vester Thacker
2005-08-27 12:35                 ` Jun OKAJIMA
2005-08-27 14:01                   ` [9fans] Xen for Windows(Was:vmware 5.0) Jun OKAJIMA
2005-08-27 15:47                     ` kokamoto
2005-08-27 17:33                       ` Steve Simon
2005-08-28  1:22                       ` kokamoto
2005-08-28 12:04                         ` Brantley Coile
2005-08-28 12:40                           ` lucio
2005-08-28 14:24                             ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-28 13:40                           ` Martin Harriss
2005-08-28 14:25                             ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-28 16:27                               ` kokamoto
2005-08-28 16:43                                 ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-28 14:19                           ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-08-28 18:18                           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2005-08-29  0:06                             ` Brantley Coile
2005-08-31 15:01                           ` Gorka guardiola
2005-08-31 17:19                             ` McLone
2005-09-01  3:59                               ` [9fans] ndis-ulator for plan 9 Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-01  7:31                                 ` Dave Lukes
2005-09-01  7:39                                   ` Devon H. O'Dell
2005-09-01  8:08                                     ` balaji
2005-09-01 15:03                                   ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-01 15:34                                     ` McLone
2005-09-01 15:40                                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-02 16:02                                         ` Dave Lukes [this message]
2005-09-03 11:41                                         ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-03 15:20                                           ` lucio
2005-09-03 15:21                                           ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-03 15:40                                             ` Russ Cox
2005-09-04 15:28                                               ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-05  5:42                                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-06  4:16                                                 ` David Leimbach
2005-09-01 16:28                                     ` Dave Lukes
2005-09-01 19:35                                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-01 21:30                                         ` Devon O'Dell
2005-09-03 17:34                                 ` Jack Johnson
2005-09-21 18:35                                 ` Dave Lukes
2005-09-21 18:46                                   ` Uriel
2005-09-21 19:14                                     ` Russ Cox
2005-09-21 19:33                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-21 19:36                                       ` David Leimbach
2005-09-21 20:04                                         ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-21 22:51                                           ` David Leimbach
2005-09-21 23:05                                             ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-22  1:26                                               ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-09-22  2:40                                                 ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22  7:58                                               ` Nigel Roles
2005-09-22 13:50                                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2005-09-22 14:17                                                   ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22 14:20                                                     ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                                                     ` <d49d18945f1d149f28a9290e6ad56f6c@terzarima.net>
2005-09-22 14:40                                                       ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22 14:56                                                     ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-09-22 15:01                                                       ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22 22:53                                                       ` George Michaelson
2005-09-23  9:06                                                         ` Nigel Roles
2005-09-23  7:13                                                       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
     [not found]                                             ` <ac600c5a0c06881fc8bf6b5828b8a36b@terzarima.net>
2005-09-22  2:39                                               ` David Leimbach
2005-09-22  3:47                                                 ` Russ Cox
2005-09-21 19:25                                     ` Dave Lukes
2005-08-31 17:52                           ` [9fans] Xen for Windows(Was:vmware 5.0) Martin C. Atkins
2005-09-01  0:21                             ` Brantley Coile
2005-09-01  3:23                               ` Tim Newsham
2005-09-01 16:34                               ` Harri Haataja
2005-08-28 14:07                       ` Ronald G Minnich

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