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From: rog@vitanuova.com
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] an idea
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:12:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4842a6629d0318a83274fbbf07c64c2c@vitanuova.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <afb712a66ac3201a975b0e9796cf2fde@terzarima.net>

> from the third party server's point of view.
> if you authenticate to a server, and use that to connect to another server,
> that server must trust the first server to speak for every user it sees on
> the connection, and it must know that.

i think this is a reasonably common scenario.

> thus the multiplexing might as well be just as in Styx: different user
> names [whatever that might mean in a larger context] label the Tattach
> messages on the connection.

that assumes, i think, that authentication is homogeneous throughout
that system (i.e.  that one agent can authenticate all users uniformly
at the outer edge of the system).  i'm not sure that's realistic.

in the simplest case, the first server is the kernel, and i find it
reasonable to trust it to speak for every user i authenticate as.  if
i trust the kernel, why shouldn't i trust other services i have
started up, in the same way?  there are occasions when i might extend
the same level of trust to other machines too.

from the server's point of view, it should not trust in-band
authentications along a channel that has not been end-to-end
authenticated in a way that it trusts.

that's a matter for whoever is arranging the topology of the system,
surely?



  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-26 20:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-11 19:14 [9fans] german keymap Scusi
2004-04-11 19:28 ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-11 20:00   ` Scusi
2004-04-11 20:03     ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-11 22:10 ` Geoff Collyer
2004-04-11 22:39   ` Russ Cox
2004-04-11 22:55     ` Geoff Collyer
2004-04-12  0:01       ` Russ Cox
2004-04-12  0:06         ` Geoff Collyer
2004-04-12  0:22           ` Charles Forsyth
2004-04-12  2:42           ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-12  2:57             ` countryjoe
2004-04-12  4:02               ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-12  2:40         ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-12  2:35       ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-12  2:33     ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-21 17:43   ` rog
2004-04-21 17:44     ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-21 17:56       ` rog
2004-04-21 18:03         ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-21 18:41           ` rog
2004-04-21 18:42             ` Rob Pike
2004-04-21 19:16               ` rog
2004-04-21 18:43             ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-21 18:47             ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-21 18:57               ` Rob Pike
2004-04-21 18:58                 ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-21 19:20                   ` rog
2004-04-21 19:58                     ` boyd, rounin
2004-04-21 20:26                       ` rog
2004-04-21 21:26     ` [9fans] an idea rog
2004-04-26  7:57       ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-04-26  8:04         ` Charles Forsyth
2004-04-26  8:10           ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-04-26  8:13             ` Charles Forsyth
2004-04-26 16:41         ` rog
2004-04-26 16:43           ` Charles Forsyth
2004-04-26 16:57             ` rog
2004-04-26 16:48           ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-04-27  1:44         ` Scott Schwartz
2004-04-27  6:43           ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-04-26 15:12       ` Russ Cox
2004-04-26 15:49         ` ron minnich
2004-04-26 16:42           ` rog
2004-04-26 16:59           ` Russ Cox
2004-04-26 17:05             ` Charles Forsyth
2004-04-26 18:04               ` Philippe Anel
2004-04-26 18:16                 ` rog
2004-04-26 18:36                   ` Philippe Anel
2004-04-26 20:27                     ` rog
2004-04-27  7:44                       ` Philippe Anel
2004-04-27  8:13                     ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-04-26 18:20                 ` rog
2004-04-26 18:09         ` rog
2004-04-26 18:44           ` [9fans] local 9p multiplexing Russ Cox
2004-04-26 18:54           ` [9fans] remote " Russ Cox
2004-04-26 19:44             ` rog
2004-04-28 17:37             ` [9fans] Vmware-4 and Plan 9 Ishwar Rattan
2004-04-28 17:58               ` Hugo Santos
2004-04-28 18:01               ` vic zandy
2004-04-26 18:55           ` [9fans] an idea Charles Forsyth
2004-04-26 20:12             ` rog [this message]
2004-04-26 20:40               ` Charles Forsyth
2004-04-26 23:26                 ` rog
2004-04-26 19:51           ` ron minnich
2004-04-26 20:49             ` Charles Forsyth
2004-04-22  1:57     ` [9fans] german keymap Michael Jeffrey

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