[9fans] scheme plan 9

[9fans] scheme plan 9

[xiangyu]

HI,everyone:
   Has anyone ported scheme into plan 9 ? or is there some scheme
implementation  existence on plan 9 ? i want to learn SCIP
recently ,but i can't find a scheme in plan 9 . so  ask ..
 looking forward for the answer as soon as possible.......
thanks first.........

Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9

[matt]

number of schemes > 4

http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Contrib_index/

maybe one is what you are looking for

there is also a gsoc project, search 9fans for more details

http://9fans.net/archive/



xiangyu wrote:

>HI,everyone:
>   Has anyone ported scheme into plan 9 ? or is there some scheme
>implementation  existence on plan 9 ? i want to learn SCIP
>recently ,but i can't find a scheme in plan 9 . so  ask ..
> looking forward for the answer as soon as possible.......
>thanks first.........
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9

[Eris Discordia]

Although, you may be better off reading SICP "as intended," and use MIT
Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language) is
already hard/unusual enough for one to not want to get confused by
implementation quirks. (Kill the paren!)

--On Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:21 +0100 matt
<maht-9fans@maht0x0r.net> wrote:

> number of schemes > 4
>
> http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Contrib_index/
>
> maybe one is what you are looking for
>
> there is also a gsoc project, search 9fans for more details
> http://9fans.net/archive/
>
>
>
> xiangyu wrote:
>
>> HI,everyone:
>>   Has anyone ported scheme into plan 9 ? or is there some scheme
>> implementation  existence on plan 9 ? i want to learn SCIP
>> recently ,but i can't find a scheme in plan 9 . so  ask ..
>> looking forward for the answer as soon as possible.......
>> thanks first.........
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9

[Bakul Shah]

On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:32:53 BST Eris Discordia <eris.discordia@gmail.com>  wrote:
> Although, you may be better off reading SICP "as intended," and use MIT
> Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language) is
> already hard/unusual enough for one to not want to get confused by
> implementation quirks. (Kill the paren!)

The second edition of SICP uses IEEE Scheme (basically R4RS
Scheme) and pretty much every Scheme implementation supports
R4RS -- s9fes from http://www.t3x.org/s9fes/ certainly
supports it.  It doesn't support rational or complex numbers
but as I recall no example in SICP relies on those.

Killing parens won't make you an adult :-)

Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9

[Eris Discordia]

> Killing parens won't make you an adult :-)

Killing the paren(t)s is the hobbyist(eenager)'s radical response to
existential why's that arise as the world of exper(adul)ts opens up before
them and regularities in there are found to be essentially conventional
rather than rational or natural.

I mean, I never got past SICP Chapter 1 because that first chapter got me
asking, "why this much hassle?"

P.S. I'm leaving. You may now remove your
arts-and-letters-cootie-protection suits and go back to normal tech-savvy
attire ;-)

--On Wednesday, September 02, 2009 09:35 -0700 Bakul Shah
<bakul+plan9@bitblocks.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:32:53 BST Eris Discordia
> <eris.discordia@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Although, you may be better off reading SICP "as intended," and use MIT
>> Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language)
>> is  already hard/unusual enough for one to not want to get confused by
>> implementation quirks. (Kill the paren!)
>
> The second edition of SICP uses IEEE Scheme (basically R4RS
> Scheme) and pretty much every Scheme implementation supports
> R4RS -- s9fes from http://www.t3x.org/s9fes/ certainly
> supports it.  It doesn't support rational or complex numbers
> but as I recall no example in SICP relies on those.
>
> Killing parens won't make you an adult :-)
>

Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9

[erik quanstrom]

> P.S. I'm leaving. You may now remove your
> arts-and-letters-cootie-protection suits and go back to normal tech-savvy
> attire ;-)

that's okay.  given the adverts^wposts on the list today, we may just maintain
our choate quota without you.

- erik

Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9

[Bakul Shah]

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:29:53 BST Eris Discordia <eris.discordia@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> I mean, I never got past SICP Chapter 1 because that first chapter got me
> asking, "why this much hassle?"

May be you had an impedance mismatch with SICP?

> P.S. I'm leaving. You may now remove your
> arts-and-letters-cootie-protection suits and go back to normal tech-savvy
> attire ;-)

This may not be your cup of tea or be artsy enough for you
but check out what happens when tech meets arts:

    http://impromptu.moso.com.au/gallery.html

Start the first video; may be skip the first 3 minutes or
so but after that stay with it for a few minutes.  The author
is creating music by *coding* in real time (and doing a great
job!).  He uses Impromptu, a Scheme programming environment,
that supports realtime scheduling and low level sound
synthesis. Given Scheme one can then build arbitrarily
complex signal processing graphs.

For some subset of people this sort of thing just might be a
better introduction to programming than SICP. Basically
anything that allows them to do fun things with programming
and leaves them wanting more.

BTW, you too can download impromptu on OS X and synthesise
your own noize!

Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9

[Skip Tavakkolian]

> This may not be your cup of tea or be artsy enough for you
> but check out what happens when tech meets arts:
>
>     http://impromptu.moso.com.au/gallery.html

i enjoyed this. thanks.

Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9

[Eris Discordia]

The performance was enjoyable indeed, and interesting. Thanks :-) Although,
I bet you can get better results in an easier way with VST. No tool is
universal.

Just in case, the video wouldn't load even with the latest version of Adobe
Flash Player on Opera (some problem with Vimeo, presumably). I downloaded
the excerpt in MOV and watched it.

--On Thursday, September 03, 2009 08:57 -0700 Bakul Shah
<bakul+plan9@bitblocks.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:29:53 BST Eris Discordia
> <eris.discordia@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>> I mean, I never got past SICP Chapter 1 because that first chapter got
>> me  asking, "why this much hassle?"
>
> May be you had an impedance mismatch with SICP?
>
>> P.S. I'm leaving. You may now remove your
>> arts-and-letters-cootie-protection suits and go back to normal
>> tech-savvy  attire ;-)
>
> This may not be your cup of tea or be artsy enough for you
> but check out what happens when tech meets arts:
>
>     http://impromptu.moso.com.au/gallery.html
>
> Start the first video; may be skip the first 3 minutes or
> so but after that stay with it for a few minutes.  The author
> is creating music by *coding* in real time (and doing a great
> job!).  He uses Impromptu, a Scheme programming environment,
> that supports realtime scheduling and low level sound
> synthesis. Given Scheme one can then build arbitrarily
> complex signal processing graphs.
>
> For some subset of people this sort of thing just might be a
> better introduction to programming than SICP. Basically
> anything that allows them to do fun things with programming
> and leaves them wanting more.
>
> BTW, you too can download impromptu on OS X and synthesise
> your own noize!
>

Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9

[blstuart]

> number of schemes > 4
>
> http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Contrib_index/

One that's not in the contrib tree is s9fes (Scheme 9 From
Empty Space).

BLS

Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9

[Iruata Souza]

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Eris Discordia<eris.discordia@gmail.com> wrote:
> Although, you may be better off reading SICP "as intended," and use MIT
> Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language) is
> already hard/unusual enough for one to not want to get confused by
> implementation quirks. (Kill the paren!)
>

for the most part of the book Plan 9 is as good as the mentioned
options, except if you want a more lispy editor.

iru

Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9

[David Leimbach]

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On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Iruata Souza <iru.muzgo@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Eris Discordia<eris.discordia@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Although, you may be better off reading SICP "as intended," and use MIT
> > Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language)
> is
> > already hard/unusual enough for one to not want to get confused by
> > implementation quirks. (Kill the paren!)
> >
>
> for the most part of the book Plan 9 is as good as the mentioned
> options, except if you want a more lispy editor.
>
> iru
>
> Check out chibi-schemehttp://code.google.com/p/chibi-scheme/

foof on freenode in #scheme is working on it, and it's got Plan 9 support as
well as others.  Well last I heard from a friend who's been using and
working with it.

Dave

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Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9

[LiteStar numnums]

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I use chibi at work; s'not bad considering the size, & certainly better than
tinyscheme. I currently use a custom dialect for new stuff, but the old is
either Chibi or Gauche.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:13 AM, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Iruata Souza <iru.muzgo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Eris Discordia<eris.discordia@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Although, you may be better off reading SICP "as intended," and use MIT
>> > Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language)
>> is
>> > already hard/unusual enough for one to not want to get confused by
>> > implementation quirks. (Kill the paren!)
>> >
>>
>> for the most part of the book Plan 9 is as good as the mentioned
>> options, except if you want a more lispy editor.
>>
>> iru
>>
>> Check out chibi-schemehttp://code.google.com/p/chibi-scheme/
>
> foof on freenode in #scheme is working on it, and it's got Plan 9 support
> as well as others.  Well last I heard from a friend who's been using and
> working with it.
>
> Dave
>



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