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From: lucio@proxima.alt.za
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] Go and 21-bit runes (and a bit of Go status)
Date: Wed,  4 Dec 2013 06:25:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5097e190aef16d0162d5306987028552@proxima.alt.za> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOw7k5iP1xJobV3PjYoo+ZYC6LXwm4zX_5bLHR=sYsptZm1maA@mail.gmail.com>

> but it's not a question of forking the library. there's a ton of stuff
> under go/src,
> so what makes libbio special?

I'm not sure where the wires get crossed, let's see if I can get my
point across or, alternatively, if I can figure out what I'm missing.

In building the Go tool chain, in Plan 9, only libmach, of the
libararies required, differs substantially from the Go release version
to require special functionality.  The differences aren't
irreconcilable, but they are pretty vast.

For a more Posix-y environment, lib9 and libbio are also required to
provide features that Plan 9 has natively.  Lib9 mirrors libc and
libbio is analogous to "the real thing".  My contention is that we
ought to keep these differences to an absolute minimum and,
specifically, we ought to avoid libbio diverging from the Plan 9
native version - at the cost of altering the latter, if necessary - so
that the two systems are kept closer together.

The point here is that once we grant licence for libbio to diverge,
there is no limit to how far it will go and any efforts to bring
either in line with the other will be as difficult as it would be now
for libmach.  Libmach and lib9 both show how far apart this divergence
will go if encouraged.

It is moot, I grant that, but as a responsible citizen, I feel it is
my duty not to create conditions than future generations can't recover
from, at least as long as there is an option.  Yeah, it's a
philosophical line in the sand, but you did ask where I was drawing it
and I'm hoping I have made it a little clearer (even to myself).

++L






  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-12-04  4:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-02 10:53 lucio
2013-06-02 14:10 ` erik quanstrom
2013-06-02 15:24   ` lucio
2013-06-03  4:20     ` erik quanstrom
2013-06-03  5:38       ` lucio
2013-06-03 13:28         ` erik quanstrom
2013-06-03 16:34           ` lucio
2013-06-03 16:46             ` erik quanstrom
2013-06-03 17:04               ` lucio
2013-06-03 17:07                 ` erik quanstrom
2013-06-03 17:33                   ` Bakul Shah
2013-06-03 17:38                 ` Charles Forsyth
2013-06-03  5:48       ` [9fans] More Go status lucio
2013-06-03 17:53       ` [9fans] SSE in a note handler Steve Simon
2013-06-02 15:01 ` [9fans] Go and 21-bit runes (and a bit of Go status) cinap_lenrek
2013-06-02 15:22   ` lucio
2013-06-02 15:38     ` cinap_lenrek
2013-06-02 15:54       ` lucio
2013-06-02 15:59         ` Kurt H Maier
2013-06-02 16:08           ` lucio
2013-06-02 19:37   ` Anthony Martin
2013-12-02  2:10     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02  8:22       ` Anthony Martin
2013-12-02 14:33         ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 14:59           ` lucio
2013-12-02 15:22             ` Kurt H Maier
2013-12-02 17:19               ` lucio
2013-12-02 18:39                 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-12-02 20:09                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02 20:11                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 20:22                       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02 20:24                       ` David du Colombier
2013-12-02 20:38                         ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 20:44                           ` Bakul Shah
2013-12-02 20:45                             ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 20:59                               ` Bakul Shah
2013-12-02 21:03                                 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 23:35                                   ` Bakul Shah
2013-12-03  0:11                                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 20:45                           ` David du Colombier
2013-12-02 21:06                           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02 21:45                             ` Jeff Sickel
2013-12-02 21:47                               ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 21:51                             ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 23:26                               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02 23:43                                 ` Steve Simon
2013-12-03  0:16                                   ` Anthony Martin
2013-12-03  2:55                                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  0:12                                 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  0:21                                   ` Anthony Martin
2013-12-03  0:49                                   ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2013-12-03  0:52                                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  1:01                                       ` Anthony Martin
2013-12-03  1:06                                       ` Jeremy Jackins
2013-12-03  1:34                                         ` Jeff Sickel
2013-12-03  7:43                                           ` lucio
2013-12-03  7:33                                     ` lucio
2013-12-03  7:29                                   ` lucio
2013-12-03 15:20                                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  7:31                                   ` lucio
2013-12-03  8:14                                     ` Jeff Sickel
2013-12-03  9:16                                       ` lucio
2013-12-03  9:21                                       ` lucio
2013-12-03 14:51                                         ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  9:46                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2013-12-03 10:04                                         ` lucio
2013-12-03 11:39                                           ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2013-12-03 14:42                                           ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03 14:51                                             ` Charles Forsyth
2013-12-03 15:54                                               ` Jeff Sickel
2013-12-03 16:04                                               ` lucio
2013-12-03 16:47                                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2013-12-03 17:44                                                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-03 23:12                                                   ` john francis lee
2013-12-04  0:13                                                     ` sl
2013-12-04  4:25                                                   ` lucio [this message]
2013-12-04  4:35                                                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-04  6:19                                                       ` lucio
2013-12-04  7:04                                                         ` [9fans] Go port [was Re: Go and 21-bit runes (and a bit of Go status)] Jeff Sickel
2013-12-04  7:20                                                           ` [9fans] Go port [was Re: Go and 21-bit runes (and a bit of Go lucio
2013-12-04  7:52                                                             ` Jeff Sickel
2013-12-04 15:11                                                               ` lucio
2013-12-04  4:37                                                     ` [9fans] Go and 21-bit runes (and a bit of Go status) Jens Staal
2013-12-04  4:46                                                       ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  7:10                                 ` lucio
2013-12-03  7:23                                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-03  7:37                                     ` lucio
2013-12-03 15:04                                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  9:48                                 ` Richard Miller
2013-12-03 10:08                                   ` lucio
2013-12-03 11:14                                     ` Charles Forsyth
2013-12-03 11:24                                       ` lucio
2013-12-03  6:53                     ` lucio
2013-12-03  4:49                   ` lucio
2013-12-03  8:02                     ` Kurt H Maier
2013-12-03  9:12                       ` lucio
2013-12-02 15:50             ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 17:23               ` lucio
2013-12-02 18:35                 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  4:35                   ` lucio
2013-12-02 22:52               ` Anthony Martin
2013-12-03  6:20                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2013-12-02 16:10           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02 17:25             ` lucio
2013-12-02 19:13               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02 19:34                 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  6:34                   ` lucio
2013-12-03  5:02                 ` lucio
2013-12-02 17:31             ` Jeff Sickel
2013-12-02 17:52               ` lucio
2013-12-02 18:33                 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 19:16                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02 19:26                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 19:33                       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02 19:31                   ` Christopher Nielsen
2013-12-02 20:17                     ` David du Colombier
2013-12-02 19:37                   ` Bakul Shah
2013-12-02 19:57                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-03  6:47                       ` lucio
2013-12-03  6:45                     ` lucio
2013-12-03  4:32                   ` lucio
2013-12-03 17:22 erik quanstrom
2013-12-03 17:37 ` Bence Fábián
2013-12-03 17:59   ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-04  5:48 ` lucio

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