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From: Jeff Sickel <jas@corpus-callosum.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: [9fans] Go port [was Re: Go and 21-bit runes (and a bit of Go status)]
Date: Wed,  4 Dec 2013 01:04:32 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <B73CBA17-013A-466F-A267-05A7DD5001A4@corpus-callosum.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2a32cfdd4e6c816b2a6ac2e5a1ae5ad5@proxima.alt.za>

The Go ‘builder’ for Plan 9 386 is on the chopping block:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/golang-dev/QW4zUbMHMBM
https://code.google.com/p/go-wiki/wiki/PortingPolicy


Lucio, there is no symbiotic relationship between Plan 9 and Go.
Go is its own language, and maybe eventually platform, that does
share some history with Plan 9 and various other spin offs.  But
though it started with a few people who happened to have worked
on Plan 9 in the past to hone their ideas, the minimal stubs
used in Go that are similar to core Plan 9 libraries are just that,
mechanisms to bootstrap the language.  Taking libc and libbio and
the initial C toolchain is a great way to start.

I do think they’ve done a very nice job at getting the language
off the ground on several platforms.  And it’s great to see the
Go talks and references back to CSP.  But at the end of the day,
Go is a very different research platform that doesn’t really
map onto what draws many of us to Plan 9.  It’s a great tool to
have in the shop, but like any combo-tool, sometimes you just
have to put it on the bench so you can really use the kW CO2
laser without being distracted.



On Dec 4, 2013, at 12:19 AM, lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote:

>> what would we recover from?  divergence?  go never left the building
>> as it wasn't in the building to begin with.  i think this is likely what
>> you may be missing.
> 
> Are you suggesting that any efforts to keep Go and Plan 9 in sync
> should be measured purely against short term gain?  To me, that makes
> Plan 9 a superfluous platform for Go: the cost of maintaining the
> port(s) would never be recoverable in deployment of Go applications to
> any Plan 9 platform.
> 
> On the other hand, if Go and Plan 9 continue to influence each other's
> development and philosophy, I think both will benefit, as well as
> their respective communities.  The discussion here, superficial as it
> is, is a case in point.
> 
> ++L
> 
> 
> 
> 




  reply	other threads:[~2013-12-04  7:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-02 10:53 [9fans] Go and 21-bit runes (and a bit of Go status) lucio
2013-06-02 14:10 ` erik quanstrom
2013-06-02 15:24   ` lucio
2013-06-03  4:20     ` erik quanstrom
2013-06-03  5:38       ` lucio
2013-06-03 13:28         ` erik quanstrom
2013-06-03 16:34           ` lucio
2013-06-03 16:46             ` erik quanstrom
2013-06-03 17:04               ` lucio
2013-06-03 17:07                 ` erik quanstrom
2013-06-03 17:33                   ` Bakul Shah
2013-06-03 17:38                 ` Charles Forsyth
2013-06-03  5:48       ` [9fans] More Go status lucio
2013-06-03 17:53       ` [9fans] SSE in a note handler Steve Simon
2013-06-02 15:01 ` [9fans] Go and 21-bit runes (and a bit of Go status) cinap_lenrek
2013-06-02 15:22   ` lucio
2013-06-02 15:38     ` cinap_lenrek
2013-06-02 15:54       ` lucio
2013-06-02 15:59         ` Kurt H Maier
2013-06-02 16:08           ` lucio
2013-06-02 19:37   ` Anthony Martin
2013-12-02  2:10     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02  8:22       ` Anthony Martin
2013-12-02 14:33         ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 14:59           ` lucio
2013-12-02 15:22             ` Kurt H Maier
2013-12-02 17:19               ` lucio
2013-12-02 18:39                 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-12-02 20:09                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02 20:11                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 20:22                       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02 20:24                       ` David du Colombier
2013-12-02 20:38                         ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 20:44                           ` Bakul Shah
2013-12-02 20:45                             ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 20:59                               ` Bakul Shah
2013-12-02 21:03                                 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 23:35                                   ` Bakul Shah
2013-12-03  0:11                                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 20:45                           ` David du Colombier
2013-12-02 21:06                           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02 21:45                             ` Jeff Sickel
2013-12-02 21:47                               ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 21:51                             ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 23:26                               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02 23:43                                 ` Steve Simon
2013-12-03  0:16                                   ` Anthony Martin
2013-12-03  2:55                                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  0:12                                 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  0:21                                   ` Anthony Martin
2013-12-03  0:49                                   ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2013-12-03  0:52                                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  1:01                                       ` Anthony Martin
2013-12-03  1:06                                       ` Jeremy Jackins
2013-12-03  1:34                                         ` Jeff Sickel
2013-12-03  7:43                                           ` lucio
2013-12-03  7:33                                     ` lucio
2013-12-03  7:29                                   ` lucio
2013-12-03 15:20                                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  7:31                                   ` lucio
2013-12-03  8:14                                     ` Jeff Sickel
2013-12-03  9:16                                       ` lucio
2013-12-03  9:21                                       ` lucio
2013-12-03 14:51                                         ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  9:46                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2013-12-03 10:04                                         ` lucio
2013-12-03 11:39                                           ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2013-12-03 14:42                                           ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03 14:51                                             ` Charles Forsyth
2013-12-03 15:54                                               ` Jeff Sickel
2013-12-03 16:04                                               ` lucio
2013-12-03 16:47                                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2013-12-03 17:44                                                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-03 23:12                                                   ` john francis lee
2013-12-04  0:13                                                     ` sl
2013-12-04  4:25                                                   ` lucio
2013-12-04  4:35                                                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-04  6:19                                                       ` lucio
2013-12-04  7:04                                                         ` Jeff Sickel [this message]
2013-12-04  7:20                                                           ` [9fans] Go port [was Re: Go and 21-bit runes (and a bit of Go lucio
2013-12-04  7:52                                                             ` Jeff Sickel
2013-12-04 15:11                                                               ` lucio
2013-12-04  4:37                                                     ` [9fans] Go and 21-bit runes (and a bit of Go status) Jens Staal
2013-12-04  4:46                                                       ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  7:10                                 ` lucio
2013-12-03  7:23                                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-03  7:37                                     ` lucio
2013-12-03 15:04                                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  9:48                                 ` Richard Miller
2013-12-03 10:08                                   ` lucio
2013-12-03 11:14                                     ` Charles Forsyth
2013-12-03 11:24                                       ` lucio
2013-12-03  6:53                     ` lucio
2013-12-03  4:49                   ` lucio
2013-12-03  8:02                     ` Kurt H Maier
2013-12-03  9:12                       ` lucio
2013-12-02 15:50             ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 17:23               ` lucio
2013-12-02 18:35                 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  4:35                   ` lucio
2013-12-02 22:52               ` Anthony Martin
2013-12-03  6:20                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2013-12-02 16:10           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02 17:25             ` lucio
2013-12-02 19:13               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02 19:34                 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-03  6:34                   ` lucio
2013-12-03  5:02                 ` lucio
2013-12-02 17:31             ` Jeff Sickel
2013-12-02 17:52               ` lucio
2013-12-02 18:33                 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 19:16                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02 19:26                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-02 19:33                       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-02 19:31                   ` Christopher Nielsen
2013-12-02 20:17                     ` David du Colombier
2013-12-02 19:37                   ` Bakul Shah
2013-12-02 19:57                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2013-12-03  6:47                       ` lucio
2013-12-03  6:45                     ` lucio
2013-12-03  4:32                   ` lucio

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