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From: "rob pike" <rob@plan9.bell-labs.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] samuel
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:32:39 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5194db69d6a2bcb77be8696538794a50@plan9.bell-labs.com> (raw)

> maybe the tail has started to wag the dog a little, and it's time to
> consider extending the toolkit?

Yesterday it was claimed that those who hadn't tried samuel shouldn't
make grandiose philosophical statements about it.  Well, I have tried
samuel and I didn't like it, partly because it didn't seem to help all
that much (because grep could do a lot of the work for you just fine);
partly because added a set of special-purpose features rather than a
general-purpose approach; partly because it cluttered up the menus to
have that extra functionality, making it less useful as an editor; and
partly because it just wasn't very well done.

You won't get me to say I don't like tools and don't want to add to
the the toolkit.  I will say, however, that I demand the tools be good
and that they should increase the set of problems to be solved or
significantly increase the ease with which they can be solved.

Samuel didn't make the grade.  If it had, I think it would still be
around.

-rob



             reply	other threads:[~2002-03-10 20:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-10 20:32 rob pike [this message]
2002-03-10 21:13 ` Andrew Simmons
2002-03-10 21:25   ` William Josephson
2002-03-11 10:09   ` Ralph Corderoy
2002-03-11 18:06   ` ozan s. yigit
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-18 10:39 Joel Salomon
2002-03-18 14:53 ` AMSRL-CI-CN
2002-04-08 12:53   ` Joel Salomon
2002-03-13 14:31 bwc
2002-03-11 15:54 rob pike
2002-03-11 17:59 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-03-11 15:22 Russ Cox
2002-03-11 17:49 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-03-11  8:50 Bengt Kleberg
2002-03-11  4:50 Geoff Collyer
2002-03-11  1:08 Russ Cox
2002-03-11 10:10 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-03-11 17:16 ` ozan s. yigit
2002-03-11  0:15 Geoff Collyer
2002-03-11  0:04 Geoff Collyer
2002-03-11 10:09 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-03-13 14:13   ` Laura Creighton
2002-03-13 14:23     ` Lucio De Re
2002-03-13 18:08       ` Laura Creighton
2002-03-14  5:53         ` Lucio De Re
2002-03-14  9:56     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-03-10 23:59 Alex Danilo
2002-03-11  0:07 ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11  7:44   ` Steve Kilbane
2002-03-11  0:45 ` Andrew Simmons
2002-03-11 10:10   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-03-10 22:51 forsyth
2002-03-11  0:21 ` Andrew Simmons
2002-03-10 22:20 forsyth
2002-03-10 21:42 presotto
2002-03-10  3:38 rob pike
2002-03-10 20:17 ` Andrew Simmons
2002-03-10 22:15   ` Steve Kilbane
2002-03-10  3:27 geoff
2002-03-10 19:42 ` Andrew Simmons
2002-03-10  2:46 Alex Danilo
2002-02-27 23:05 seanq
2002-02-27 23:15 ` William Josephson
2002-02-28  4:49 ` Lucio De Re
2002-02-28 12:53   ` Boyd Roberts
2002-03-11 10:04   ` Escape Clause
2002-03-19 13:25     ` Harri J Haataja
2002-03-20 14:00       ` Boyd Roberts
2002-03-21 11:02         ` Ralph Corderoy
2002-02-28 12:51 ` Boyd Roberts
2002-02-27 15:24 forsyth
2002-02-27 15:23 ` Boyd Roberts
2002-02-27 14:30 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-02-27 14:26 rob pike
2002-02-27 14:23 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-02-27 14:21 rob pike
2002-02-28 13:19 ` Jim Kelleman
2002-02-27 14:16 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-02-27 13:17 Boyd Roberts
2002-02-27 23:04 ` skipt

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