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From: Oleksandr Iakovliev <yshurik@lynxline.com>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 22:26:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52AF7017.4020700@lynxline.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABwHSOuvzqjXPJ4HVMeT1h7OGFfVX1VeLQQL0DkxNFO_=0O-5A@mail.gmail.com>


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On 2013-12-15 18:05 , Blake McBride wrote:
> In spite of some really great ideas, I think we'd all agree that
> Plan-9 has no real future.

I would not agree about that. If you would try to have a look at coming
future tendencies, you would be notified that there is coming what is
now named as "internet of things" where a lot of material objects in
your environment will have very small chips which would like to
communicate to each other and so on (there are already "scary" news
about arrested china transport containers of electric-irons and kettles
which have some extra less 1cm chip/device to listen for open wifi nets
and spy on them or do whatever they are programmed ;) ).

Another tendency which is not so clear now but it is also coming:
computers/devices/systems/grids which perform actions being same time
what is called interface-less (good example is your car which
automatically identify you by sensors and wireless key/cellphone in your
pocket when you touch cardoor and then system just unlocks that - lot of
computations, communications and same time interfaceless).

When you try to add these two tendencies to each other it would look
like that the next generation OSes should be much close to Plan9/Inferno
because it should easily cover connectivity and inter-communications of
these grids of tens/hundred/thousands of chips/soc/devices per 10 cubic
meters around you  or worldwide (btw you can just read story about "bad
bios" and suspect of ultrasonic communications). They(OS) should be
simple regarding internal design. Parallel programming,
computing/resource sharing, CSP, etc is highly required and should not
be complicated as it is now in world of Unix/Linux/MS/Apple and should
be possible to be programmed by individuals or small groups.
Why not MS/Apple-like solution - because then such "nets" will be closed
and not really manageable at all.
Why not Linux - it is already over-sized and overcomplicated and highly
resistive to design changes, so even an admin with 1meter beard cannot
see all especialities of these such system/nets and cannot administering
such grids manually. Also consider the security of these complicated
systems as effect of simplicity of design of each part.
Regarding Apps - Plan9/Inferno have "reverse" idea: instead of App to
support environment where it has to run, it makes the environment to fit
the App needs - much more productive, stable, manageable.
It should be something simple, easy to join in swarm. Then interface
part does not have such huge value - even if it is ms system with
browser - this part does not play "key" role anymore. Plan9/Inferno or
their derivatives now have great chance for resurrection aka phoenix,
but not as your laptop OS with nicely drawn weather/news widgets or
animated icons, though even this is possible.

just my 2cents for what we may see next

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-12-16 21:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-15 17:05 Blake McBride
2013-12-15 17:18 ` Bence Fábián
2013-12-15 17:51   ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 18:00     ` Bence Fábián
2013-12-15 18:43       ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 20:30     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-15 19:18   ` Steve Simon
2013-12-15 19:28     ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 19:31       ` Steve Simon
2013-12-15 20:03         ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 20:17           ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-15 21:17             ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 21:23               ` Bence Fábián
2013-12-16  0:30                 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 21:25               ` Lee Fallat
2013-12-15 22:17                 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 22:06               ` Kurt H Maier
2013-12-15 22:30               ` Matthew Veety
2013-12-15 22:48               ` Tristan
2013-12-15 23:28                 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-17  0:29                 ` Jeff Sickel
2013-12-17  4:09                   ` Bruce Ellis
2013-12-18  9:47                     ` Conor Williams
2013-12-18 20:51                       ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-19 22:36                         ` Conor Williams
2013-12-19 22:53                           ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-19 23:15                             ` Conor Williams
2013-12-20  0:29                               ` Conor Williams
2013-12-20  0:37                                 ` Conor Williams
2013-12-20  0:56                                   ` Conor Williams
2013-12-20  1:44                                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-20  1:53                                       ` Conor Williams
2013-12-23 23:11                                         ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-23 23:44                                           ` Blake McBride
2013-12-24  0:29                                             ` David Arnold
2013-12-24  1:03                                               ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-24  3:13                                                 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-24  3:30                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-24  3:36                                                     ` Blake McBride
2013-12-24  3:45                                                       ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-15 18:59 ` Oleg
2013-12-15 19:13   ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 20:19     ` Oleg
2013-12-15 20:43       ` Bence Fábián
2013-12-15 20:55         ` Oleg
2013-12-15 20:59           ` Bence Fábián
2013-12-15 20:47     ` Kurt H Maier
2013-12-16 21:26 ` Oleksandr Iakovliev [this message]
2013-12-16 21:47   ` Blake McBride
2013-12-16 21:55     ` Anthony Sorace
2013-12-16 22:08     ` Kurt H Maier
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2013-10-24  7:57 Keith
2013-12-15 18:43 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-16  4:54 ` David Arnold
2013-12-16 19:51   ` tyrrell t
2013-12-16 20:59     ` Charles Forsyth

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