From: Blake McBride <blake@mcbride.name>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 11:05:53 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABwHSOuvzqjXPJ4HVMeT1h7OGFfVX1VeLQQL0DkxNFO_=0O-5A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:55 AM, trebol <trebol55555@aol.com> wrote:
> ..... The lack of a
> web browser capable of deal with today's madness and the portability
> limitation of ape (at least for a ignorant like me) forcesme to deal
> with other OS I have to install and maintaining, so the simplicity and
> cleanness I like so much of plan9 become useless. Thanks to Russ Cox for
> P9P!
....
>
This is a great segue into a point I was hoping to make. I read Rob Pike's
comments at:
http://rob.pike.usesthis.com/
and it really got me thinking. What a great idea he talked about! I think
this may be at the heart of the Plan-9 idea.
Mind-share and markets rarely move with sense or logic. The better
approach rarely wins. It is more a matter of critical mass of mind-share.
Linux, for a lot of really good reasons, has that mind-share (in the
technical arena). (Of course Windows has much more mind-share do largely
to the fact that most users are non-technical and don't understand the
difference - not to mention Microsoft's bullying of the market...)
I think Plan-9 suffered from two big issues. The first was lack of
mind-share (crowd acceptance). It is very hard to compete with Windows &
Linux. The second was lack of support for a huge need - a fully functional
browser.
In spite of some really great ideas, I think we'd all agree that Plan-9 has
no real future. On the other hand, I believe that some of the best ideas
Plan-9 brings us can and should be a part of the future. I think the best,
most practical way to bring those ideas to wide-spread use and availability
is to implement those ideas in the Linux kernel. I understand that, since
Linux is not Plan-9, there would be compromises and limitations, but it
would be a huge step in the right direction. Plan-9 proved those ideas in
an ideal environment. Just like what Smalltalk did to the world - creating
C++, Java, the mouse, etc., Plan-9 can bring its ideas to the mainstream
through additions and improvements to existing technology like Linux.
Just some thoughts.
Blake McBride
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2013-12-15 17:05 Blake McBride [this message]
2013-12-15 17:18 ` Bence Fábián
2013-12-15 17:51 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 18:00 ` Bence Fábián
2013-12-15 18:43 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 20:30 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-15 19:18 ` Steve Simon
2013-12-15 19:28 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 19:31 ` Steve Simon
2013-12-15 20:03 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 20:17 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-15 21:17 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 21:23 ` Bence Fábián
2013-12-16 0:30 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 21:25 ` Lee Fallat
2013-12-15 22:17 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 22:06 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-12-15 22:30 ` Matthew Veety
2013-12-15 22:48 ` Tristan
2013-12-15 23:28 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-17 0:29 ` Jeff Sickel
2013-12-17 4:09 ` Bruce Ellis
2013-12-18 9:47 ` Conor Williams
2013-12-18 20:51 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-19 22:36 ` Conor Williams
2013-12-19 22:53 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-19 23:15 ` Conor Williams
2013-12-20 0:29 ` Conor Williams
2013-12-20 0:37 ` Conor Williams
2013-12-20 0:56 ` Conor Williams
2013-12-20 1:44 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-20 1:53 ` Conor Williams
2013-12-23 23:11 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-23 23:44 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-24 0:29 ` David Arnold
2013-12-24 1:03 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-24 3:13 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-24 3:30 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-24 3:36 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-24 3:45 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-15 18:59 ` Oleg
2013-12-15 19:13 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 20:19 ` Oleg
2013-12-15 20:43 ` Bence Fábián
2013-12-15 20:55 ` Oleg
2013-12-15 20:59 ` Bence Fábián
2013-12-15 20:47 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-12-16 21:26 ` Oleksandr Iakovliev
2013-12-16 21:47 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-16 21:55 ` Anthony Sorace
2013-12-16 22:08 ` Kurt H Maier
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2013-10-24 7:57 Keith
2013-12-15 18:43 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-16 4:54 ` David Arnold
2013-12-16 19:51 ` tyrrell t
2013-12-16 20:59 ` Charles Forsyth
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