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From: Blake McBride <blake@mcbride.name>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 11:05:53 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABwHSOuvzqjXPJ4HVMeT1h7OGFfVX1VeLQQL0DkxNFO_=0O-5A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)

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On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:55 AM, trebol <trebol55555@aol.com> wrote:

> .....  The lack of a
> web browser capable of deal with today's madness and the portability
> limitation of ape (at least for a ignorant like me) forcesme to deal
> with other OS I have to install and maintaining, so the simplicity and
> cleanness I like so much of plan9 become useless.  Thanks to Russ Cox for
> P9P!

....
>

This is a great segue into a point I was hoping to make.  I read Rob Pike's
comments at:

    http://rob.pike.usesthis.com/

and it really got me thinking.  What a great idea he talked about!  I think
this may be at the heart of the Plan-9 idea.

Mind-share and markets rarely move with sense or logic.  The better
approach rarely wins. It is more a matter of critical mass of mind-share.
 Linux, for a lot of really good reasons, has that mind-share (in the
technical arena).  (Of course Windows has much more mind-share do largely
to the fact that most users are non-technical and don't understand the
difference - not to mention Microsoft's bullying of the market...)

I think Plan-9 suffered from two big issues.  The first was lack of
mind-share (crowd acceptance).  It is very hard to compete with Windows &
Linux.  The second was lack of support for a huge need - a fully functional
browser.

In spite of some really great ideas, I think we'd all agree that Plan-9 has
no real future.  On the other hand, I believe that some of the best ideas
Plan-9 brings us can and should be a part of the future.  I think the best,
most practical way to bring those ideas to wide-spread use and availability
is to implement those ideas in the Linux kernel.  I understand that, since
Linux is not Plan-9, there would be compromises and limitations, but it
would be a huge step in the right direction.  Plan-9 proved those ideas in
an ideal environment.  Just like what Smalltalk did to the world - creating
C++, Java, the mouse, etc., Plan-9 can bring its ideas to the mainstream
through additions and improvements to existing technology like Linux.

Just some thoughts.

Blake McBride

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             reply	other threads:[~2013-12-15 17:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-15 17:05 Blake McBride [this message]
2013-12-15 17:18 ` Bence Fábián
2013-12-15 17:51   ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 18:00     ` Bence Fábián
2013-12-15 18:43       ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 20:30     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-15 19:18   ` Steve Simon
2013-12-15 19:28     ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 19:31       ` Steve Simon
2013-12-15 20:03         ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 20:17           ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-15 21:17             ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 21:23               ` Bence Fábián
2013-12-16  0:30                 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 21:25               ` Lee Fallat
2013-12-15 22:17                 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 22:06               ` Kurt H Maier
2013-12-15 22:30               ` Matthew Veety
2013-12-15 22:48               ` Tristan
2013-12-15 23:28                 ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-17  0:29                 ` Jeff Sickel
2013-12-17  4:09                   ` Bruce Ellis
2013-12-18  9:47                     ` Conor Williams
2013-12-18 20:51                       ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-19 22:36                         ` Conor Williams
2013-12-19 22:53                           ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-19 23:15                             ` Conor Williams
2013-12-20  0:29                               ` Conor Williams
2013-12-20  0:37                                 ` Conor Williams
2013-12-20  0:56                                   ` Conor Williams
2013-12-20  1:44                                     ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-20  1:53                                       ` Conor Williams
2013-12-23 23:11                                         ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-23 23:44                                           ` Blake McBride
2013-12-24  0:29                                             ` David Arnold
2013-12-24  1:03                                               ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-24  3:13                                                 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-24  3:30                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-24  3:36                                                     ` Blake McBride
2013-12-24  3:45                                                       ` erik quanstrom
2013-12-15 18:59 ` Oleg
2013-12-15 19:13   ` Blake McBride
2013-12-15 20:19     ` Oleg
2013-12-15 20:43       ` Bence Fábián
2013-12-15 20:55         ` Oleg
2013-12-15 20:59           ` Bence Fábián
2013-12-15 20:47     ` Kurt H Maier
2013-12-16 21:26 ` Oleksandr Iakovliev
2013-12-16 21:47   ` Blake McBride
2013-12-16 21:55     ` Anthony Sorace
2013-12-16 22:08     ` Kurt H Maier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-10-24  7:57 Keith
2013-12-15 18:43 ` Blake McBride
2013-12-16  4:54 ` David Arnold
2013-12-16 19:51   ` tyrrell t
2013-12-16 20:59     ` Charles Forsyth

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