Re: [9fans] sources down?

[Uriel <uriel99@gmail.com>]

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:31 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Rudolf Sykora <rudolf.sykora@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In order I be of any help I need to know why the hell this happens,
>> first. I know next to nothing about how the whole system of sources
>> works, still I can help if I know how. But I do not remember anybody
>> saying: 'hey guys, we have this and this problem that causes the
>> sources are down every now and then.' Yet we see it happening.
>
>
> OK, so let's try again. How about this:
> instead of blasting a note to the known universe, 99.999% of which
> can't do anything about the situation, one could do the following:
>
> send a polite, discreet note to the people who actually run sources,
> something like this:
> "I would like to offer to help with making sources easily and readily
> available to the net. I've noticed that, at times, sources is not
> accessible. Is there some way in which I can help, by, e.g.,  running
> a replicated server?"
>
> Does this latter approach work? Yes, I have seen it work. It's why we
> have an improving USB stack.

What improving USB stack? Ah, so doing everything in secret is the way
to go? I wonder why don't we just shut down 9fans, open discussion and
collaboration is certainly not something anyone wants here anyway.

>
> Does the former approach fail? Yes. It has driven some important
> people from this list. Antisocial behavior has negative consequences.

The only antisocial behavior here (besides mine, obviously) was your
condescending and insulting answer to somebody that just asked an
honest question, and the insinuation that he wasn't ready to help,
when you just admitted "99.999%" of the people can't do anything about
the situation, in great part because people that want to help are made
to feel they are unwelcome by comments like yours.


> Whining to the list is just, well,  ... whining to the list. It ends
> up looking like an attempt to coerce people by shaming them in a
> public situation. It's what my kids used to do when they could not get
> their favorite dessert in the store. It doesn't make anyone feel any
> better. It's why so many people have Uriel in their kill files.

It makes people aware of a problem that many keep denying and
demeaning. If people can't deal with reality, there are always kill
files, as you point out.

uriel