* [9fans] New OS @ 2004-05-14 11:38 Jim Affra 2004-05-14 11:52 ` a 2004-05-14 14:16 ` dvd 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Jim Affra @ 2004-05-14 11:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Hi, I am using window98 and someone told me about linix and plan9. I have been certified by MCSA so know quite a lot about OS so it should not be problem for me. Which is better: linix or plan9? I did not get early the london conference data but will be learning more about this. Jaim ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New OS 2004-05-14 11:38 [9fans] New OS Jim Affra @ 2004-05-14 11:52 ` a 2004-05-14 12:35 ` viro 2004-05-14 12:52 ` boyd, rounin 2004-05-14 14:16 ` dvd 1 sibling, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: a @ 2004-05-14 11:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans // I am using window98... oh, boy. // I have been certified by MCSA... ohboy. // ...so know quite a lot about OS... wow. whoa. // Which is better: linix or plan9? both and neither. next question? i'm sorry, i'm not normally one to either pick on stuff like this nor feed the trolls, but the number of faulty assumptions densely packed into this mail is truely impressive. being a certified MCSA doesn't mean you know much about any operating system, even MS ones. knowing much about one OS (especially MS ones) does not translate into knowing much of anything about OSs generally (although it does help to have an example of what your're talking about, true). knowing a lot about operating systems generally does not translate into it being easy to pick up a new OS. and most importantly: there is no "better". if you want web browsers, spreadsheets, mpeg playback, and/or lots of dancing balogna, you almost certainly want linux. if you want a lesson in clean design, a study in software or OS design, a sane environment for systems work, or just a fresh way of doing things (and the afforementioned stuff isn't so important), look to plan9. // I did not get early the london conference data... speaking of, what conference data *is* there, really? beyond the "show up, talk, eat, drink" type schedule posted earlier, do we have anything resembling an agenda or list of topics? ア ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New OS 2004-05-14 11:52 ` a @ 2004-05-14 12:35 ` viro 2004-05-14 12:52 ` boyd, rounin 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: viro @ 2004-05-14 12:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 07:52:51AM -0400, a@9srv.net wrote: > // Which is better: linix or plan9? > > both and neither. next question? And here I thought that "linix" (whatever it is) was the new OS mentioned in the subject... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New OS 2004-05-14 11:52 ` a 2004-05-14 12:35 ` viro @ 2004-05-14 12:52 ` boyd, rounin 2004-05-17 0:56 ` Kenji Okamoto 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: boyd, rounin @ 2004-05-14 12:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > // I have been certified by MCSA... > > ohboy. i saw some windows job post that stated MCSA holders need not apply ... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New OS 2004-05-14 12:52 ` boyd, rounin @ 2004-05-17 0:56 ` Kenji Okamoto 2004-05-17 1:00 ` boyd, rounin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Kenji Okamoto @ 2004-05-17 0:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >> // I have been certified by MCSA... >> >> ohboy. > > i saw some windows job post that stated MCSA holders need not apply ... By te bay, what is MCSA? Kenji ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New OS 2004-05-17 0:56 ` Kenji Okamoto @ 2004-05-17 1:00 ` boyd, rounin 2004-05-17 1:15 ` Brantley Coile 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: boyd, rounin @ 2004-05-17 1:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > By te bay, what is MCSA? micro$sloth certification something that someone's paid a lotta cash for and you have a pice of paper and a terminally damaged brain. i'm with dijkstra on this one: The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New OS 2004-05-17 1:00 ` boyd, rounin @ 2004-05-17 1:15 ` Brantley Coile 2004-05-17 1:28 ` boyd, rounin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Brantley Coile @ 2004-05-17 1:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 418 bytes --] IDENTIFICATION DIVISION. PROGRAM-NAME: HW0001 AUTHOR: NOT TELLING. EVNIRONMENT DIVISION. OUTPUT-FILE ASSIGN TO STDOUT. DATA DIVISION. FILE SECTION. FD OUTPUT-FILE. 10 OUT-RECORD PIC X(80). DATA SECTION. 10 STRING PIC X(20) VALUE 'Hello, World'. PROCEDURE DIVISION. MOVE STRING INTO OUT-RECORD. WRITE OUTPUT-FILE. EXIT. What wrong with that? -- convicted COBOL fellon. [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 2680 bytes --] From: "boyd, rounin" <boyd@insultant.net> To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] New OS Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 03:00:53 +0200 Message-ID: <004a01c43baa$68e7fe50$0c7e7d50@SOMA> > By te bay, what is MCSA? micro$sloth certification something that someone's paid a lotta cash for and you have a pice of paper and a terminally damaged brain. i'm with dijkstra on this one: The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New OS 2004-05-17 1:15 ` Brantley Coile @ 2004-05-17 1:28 ` boyd, rounin 2004-05-17 1:39 ` Brantley Coile 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: boyd, rounin @ 2004-05-17 1:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > -- convicted COBOL fellon. convicted? what was the sentence? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New OS 2004-05-17 1:28 ` boyd, rounin @ 2004-05-17 1:39 ` Brantley Coile 2004-05-17 1:42 ` boyd, rounin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Brantley Coile @ 2004-05-17 1:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 39 bytes --] Grading 30 600 Line COBOL programs :( [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 2413 bytes --] From: "boyd, rounin" <boyd@insultant.net> To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] New OS Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 03:28:06 +0200 Message-ID: <008c01c43bae$350b2e50$0c7e7d50@SOMA> > -- convicted COBOL fellon. convicted? what was the sentence? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New OS 2004-05-17 1:39 ` Brantley Coile @ 2004-05-17 1:42 ` boyd, rounin 2004-05-17 3:06 ` Ali Mashtizadeh 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: boyd, rounin @ 2004-05-17 1:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > Grading 30 600 Line COBOL programs :( that's not penance. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* RE: [9fans] New OS 2004-05-17 1:42 ` boyd, rounin @ 2004-05-17 3:06 ` Ali Mashtizadeh 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Ali Mashtizadeh @ 2004-05-17 3:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs' At least its not MUMPS, (or the "M" Language) that stuffs awful, its an obfuscated C contest everyday. (no I don’t use it, I know someone who does) Ali Mashtizadeh علی ماشتی زاده -----Original Message----- From: 9fans-bounces+alikat=mit.edu@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-bounces+alikat=mit.edu@cse.psu.edu] On Behalf Of boyd, rounin Sent: 2004/05/16 09:43 ب.ظ To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Subject: Re: [9fans] New OS > Grading 30 600 Line COBOL programs :( that's not penance. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New OS 2004-05-14 11:38 [9fans] New OS Jim Affra 2004-05-14 11:52 ` a @ 2004-05-14 14:16 ` dvd 2004-05-14 14:25 ` andrey mirtchovski 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: dvd @ 2004-05-14 14:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > I am using window98 and someone told me about linix and plan9. I have been > certified by MCSA so know quite a lot about OS so it should not be problem for > me. Which is better: linix or plan9? > > I did not get early the london conference data but will be learning more > about this. Every time this theme comes up on the list, it is so obvious that it is a (not so) clever joke by someone who knows well enough about flamebates occasionally going on here between MS, LT and BL. What is so amusing is the many answers every such joke receives. David ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New OS 2004-05-14 14:16 ` dvd @ 2004-05-14 14:25 ` andrey mirtchovski 2004-05-14 14:30 ` Eric KD5UWL 2004-05-14 14:34 ` Nigel Roles 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2004-05-14 14:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > What is so amusing is the many answers every such joke receives. way less than the number of rebuttals a 'GNOME Sucks' story gets on slashdot for example. every fan-club is bound to defend its territory. andrey ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New OS 2004-05-14 14:25 ` andrey mirtchovski @ 2004-05-14 14:30 ` Eric KD5UWL 2004-05-14 14:34 ` Nigel Roles 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Eric KD5UWL @ 2004-05-14 14:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Pretty entertaining stuff. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New OS 2004-05-14 14:25 ` andrey mirtchovski 2004-05-14 14:30 ` Eric KD5UWL @ 2004-05-14 14:34 ` Nigel Roles 2004-05-14 15:15 ` Brantley Coile 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Nigel Roles @ 2004-05-14 14:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs andrey mirtchovski wrote: >>What is so amusing is the many answers every such joke receives. >> >> > >way less than the number of rebuttals a 'GNOME Sucks' story gets on >slashdot for example. > >every fan-club is bound to defend its territory. > >andrey > > > even less is the number of emails saying 'hey that's so obviously a troll you're really dumb to miss it' ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New OS 2004-05-14 14:34 ` Nigel Roles @ 2004-05-14 15:15 ` Brantley Coile 2004-05-14 15:32 ` Steve Simon 2004-05-14 17:16 ` [9fans] New OS 9nut 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Brantley Coile @ 2004-05-14 15:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans I can't imagine anything that would frustrate a troll more than to have his flamebate response be civil, polite, entertaining and informative. Great stuff. Plan 9 could be the glue that brings peace to the computing world. Running drawterm on XP to log into a plan 9 network that has OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Linux, Solaris mounted. By the way, is there a 9fs for XP? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New OS 2004-05-14 15:15 ` Brantley Coile @ 2004-05-14 15:32 ` Steve Simon 2004-05-14 15:45 ` [9fans] ati video cards Ayan George 2004-05-14 17:16 ` [9fans] New OS 9nut 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Steve Simon @ 2004-05-14 15:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans after a halt and a rewrite the cifs client is nearly there (again). -Steve ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* [9fans] ati video cards 2004-05-14 15:32 ` Steve Simon @ 2004-05-14 15:45 ` Ayan George 2004-05-14 17:00 ` andrey mirtchovski 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Ayan George @ 2004-05-14 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs hello, i've been wanting to install plan9 on my thinkpad which has an ati mobility video card. last time i tried, i realized that plan9 doesn't support ati cards for graphics. has there been any progress in getting ati support in plan9? -ayan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] ati video cards 2004-05-14 15:45 ` [9fans] ati video cards Ayan George @ 2004-05-14 17:00 ` andrey mirtchovski 2004-05-14 17:53 ` Ayan George 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2004-05-14 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans you don't mention which thinkpad you have, so i'll assume your vga is a radeon 7500. philippe anel has drivers for it here: http://mapage.noos.fr/philippe.anel/plan9rxxx.html also check the 9fans archives -- there were discussions about modifications to the drivers a few months ago. andrey ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] ati video cards 2004-05-14 17:00 ` andrey mirtchovski @ 2004-05-14 17:53 ` Ayan George 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Ayan George @ 2004-05-14 17:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs thank you. sorry for the lack of detail. i have a thinkpad a30p with a Radeon Mobility M6 LY. i'm not sure if the drivers you mention will work with it. i'll give them a try. i'm curious to know why these drivers aren't included in the official distribution. -ayan andrey mirtchovski wrote: >you don't mention which thinkpad you have, so i'll assume your vga is >a radeon 7500. philippe anel has drivers for it here: > > http://mapage.noos.fr/philippe.anel/plan9rxxx.html > >also check the 9fans archives -- there were discussions about >modifications to the drivers a few months ago. > >andrey > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] New OS 2004-05-14 15:15 ` Brantley Coile 2004-05-14 15:32 ` Steve Simon @ 2004-05-14 17:16 ` 9nut 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: 9nut @ 2004-05-14 17:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > By the way, is there a 9fs for XP? drawterm. run it on a different port and have that script on the cpu post the fd to /srv after authenticating. then mount it. Very It's useful. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
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