* [9fans] bitstream vera @ 2003-10-25 3:57 Scott Schwartz 2003-10-25 14:06 ` Latchesar Ionkov 2003-10-25 23:35 ` Russ Cox 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Scott Schwartz @ 2003-10-25 3:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Hi folks, I've converted Bitstream Vera to Plan 9 format: http://www.cse.psu.edu/~schwartz/vera.tar.bz2 I'm not sure what dpi ttf2subf is using, but I selected a handful of point sizes, hopefully good ones. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] bitstream vera 2003-10-25 3:57 [9fans] bitstream vera Scott Schwartz @ 2003-10-25 14:06 ` Latchesar Ionkov 2003-10-25 23:35 ` Russ Cox 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Latchesar Ionkov @ 2003-10-25 14:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans ttf2subf uses 72 dpi. Lucho On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 11:57:23PM -0400, Scott Schwartz said: > Hi folks, > > I've converted Bitstream Vera to Plan 9 format: > http://www.cse.psu.edu/~schwartz/vera.tar.bz2 > > I'm not sure what dpi ttf2subf is using, but I selected a handful of > point sizes, hopefully good ones. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] bitstream vera 2003-10-25 3:57 [9fans] bitstream vera Scott Schwartz 2003-10-25 14:06 ` Latchesar Ionkov @ 2003-10-25 23:35 ` Russ Cox 2003-10-26 0:02 ` Scott Schwartz 2003-10-26 14:05 ` Latchesar Ionkov 1 sibling, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Russ Cox @ 2003-10-25 23:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > I've converted Bitstream Vera to Plan 9 format: > http://www.cse.psu.edu/~schwartz/vera.tar.bz2 > > I'm not sure what dpi ttf2subf is using, but I selected a handful of > point sizes, hopefully good ones. That's a nice font. Does it look good in 1-bit depth? (I find the multibit fonts too fuzzy for every-day use. I think my eyes keep trying to focus better.) Russ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] bitstream vera 2003-10-25 23:35 ` Russ Cox @ 2003-10-26 0:02 ` Scott Schwartz 2003-10-26 14:05 ` Latchesar Ionkov 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Scott Schwartz @ 2003-10-26 0:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans | That's a nice font. Does it look good in 1-bit depth? | (I find the multibit fonts too fuzzy for every-day use. | I think my eyes keep trying to focus better.) Yes, it's pretty good. I'll make some non-fuzzy versions. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] bitstream vera 2003-10-25 23:35 ` Russ Cox 2003-10-26 0:02 ` Scott Schwartz @ 2003-10-26 14:05 ` Latchesar Ionkov 2003-10-26 15:11 ` Russ Cox 2003-10-26 15:57 ` C H Forsyth 1 sibling, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Latchesar Ionkov @ 2003-10-26 14:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Speaking about multibit fonts ... I was trying to add suport for subpixel fonts. I think the easier way to implement that is to make memimagedraw to apply the channels of the "mask" image (if it is not monocrhome) to the appropriate channels of the "src" image. Currently it generates a greyscale image and applies it to every channel. Is that change going to break anything? Is it a good idea at all? Thanks, Lucho On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 07:35:21PM -0400, Russ Cox said: > > I've converted Bitstream Vera to Plan 9 format: > > http://www.cse.psu.edu/~schwartz/vera.tar.bz2 > > > > I'm not sure what dpi ttf2subf is using, but I selected a handful of > > point sizes, hopefully good ones. > > That's a nice font. Does it look good in 1-bit depth? > (I find the multibit fonts too fuzzy for every-day use. > I think my eyes keep trying to focus better.) > > Russ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] bitstream vera 2003-10-26 14:05 ` Latchesar Ionkov @ 2003-10-26 15:11 ` Russ Cox 2003-10-26 15:57 ` C H Forsyth 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Russ Cox @ 2003-10-26 15:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > I was trying to add suport for subpixel fonts. I think the easier way to > implement that is to make memimagedraw to apply the channels of the "mask" > image (if it is not monocrhome) to the appropriate channels of the "src" > image. Currently it generates a greyscale image and applies it to every > channel. > > Is that change going to break anything? I doubt it. I can't think of any software that uses color images as masks. Perhaps faces does, but it's a clumsy hack and would be easy to fix should the need arise. > Is it a good idea at all? That's less clear. All the subpixel fonts I've seen still look fuzzy enough that I wouldn't use them for much. Russ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] bitstream vera 2003-10-26 14:05 ` Latchesar Ionkov 2003-10-26 15:11 ` Russ Cox @ 2003-10-26 15:57 ` C H Forsyth 2003-10-26 17:48 ` Latchesar Ionkov 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: C H Forsyth @ 2003-10-26 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 184 bytes --] is that canonical? any references? i'd like to know that's really what is supposed to be implemented, without having to go off to investigate, since i've got a lot on at the moment. [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 3186 bytes --] From: Latchesar Ionkov <lucho@ionkov.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] bitstream vera Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:05:47 -0500 Message-ID: <20031026140547.GA5550@ionkov.net> Speaking about multibit fonts ... I was trying to add suport for subpixel fonts. I think the easier way to implement that is to make memimagedraw to apply the channels of the "mask" image (if it is not monocrhome) to the appropriate channels of the "src" image. Currently it generates a greyscale image and applies it to every channel. Is that change going to break anything? Is it a good idea at all? Thanks, Lucho On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 07:35:21PM -0400, Russ Cox said: > > I've converted Bitstream Vera to Plan 9 format: > > http://www.cse.psu.edu/~schwartz/vera.tar.bz2 > > > > I'm not sure what dpi ttf2subf is using, but I selected a handful of > > point sizes, hopefully good ones. > > That's a nice font. Does it look good in 1-bit depth? > (I find the multibit fonts too fuzzy for every-day use. > I think my eyes keep trying to focus better.) > > Russ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] bitstream vera 2003-10-26 15:57 ` C H Forsyth @ 2003-10-26 17:48 ` Latchesar Ionkov 2003-10-26 21:06 ` [9fans] sub-pixel Charles Forsyth 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Latchesar Ionkov @ 2003-10-26 17:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 03:57:02PM +0000, C H Forsyth said: > is that canonical? any references? i'd like to know that's really > what is supposed to be implemented, without having to > go off to investigate, since i've got a lot on at the moment. I don't know if it is canonical and I don't have any references. Finding out that is one of the reasons I asked on the mailing list before I start implementing it. I just looks as the easiest way of implementing subpixel fonts -- the font image is used as a mask for memdraw, if the red, green, and blue channels from the mask are used as masks for red, green, and blue channels we can get the subpixel font drawn properly. Thanks, Lucho > From: Latchesar Ionkov <lucho@ionkov.net> > To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Subject: Re: [9fans] bitstream vera > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:05:47 -0500 > > Speaking about multibit fonts ... > > I was trying to add suport for subpixel fonts. I think the easier way to > implement that is to make memimagedraw to apply the channels of the "mask" > image (if it is not monocrhome) to the appropriate channels of the "src" > image. Currently it generates a greyscale image and applies it to every > channel. > > Is that change going to break anything? Is it a good idea at all? > > Thanks, > Lucho > > On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 07:35:21PM -0400, Russ Cox said: > > > I've converted Bitstream Vera to Plan 9 format: > > > http://www.cse.psu.edu/~schwartz/vera.tar.bz2 > > > > > > I'm not sure what dpi ttf2subf is using, but I selected a handful of > > > point sizes, hopefully good ones. > > > > That's a nice font. Does it look good in 1-bit depth? > > (I find the multibit fonts too fuzzy for every-day use. > > I think my eyes keep trying to focus better.) > > > > Russ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] sub-pixel 2003-10-26 17:48 ` Latchesar Ionkov @ 2003-10-26 21:06 ` Charles Forsyth 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Charles Forsyth @ 2003-10-26 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans i'm sorry that earlier message was a bit abrupt because i was in a hurry, and it sounded a little grumpy although i wasn't. i've since had time to look up a cheerfully enthusiastic summary on a web page http://grc.com/ctwhat.htm, and reduced my ignorance a bit, assuming the page is accurate. unfortunately, now that i've read it, i'm feeling uneasy about building so many assumptions about a particular implementation of the display device into the drawing primitives, especially a technique with so many restrictions. you're probably right that it's an easy way to get the effect you seek, and indeed i can't suggest a sensibly constructive alternative if that's what you aim to do, but is it the right thing to do to the primitives? it's possibly not as bad as the decision to build a particular gamma correction into all image values, as is sometimes done elsewhere, but is it really that different? for instance, with `sub-pixel' rendering (as i understand it) the resulting image if stored and redisplayed won't look good as you change the type of display. the `only landscape not portrait' aspect is also unsettling (it won't work on my iPAQ, again, as i currently understand it). unfortunately unlike gamma correction it seems hard to shift the transformation to the display, although that's what i'd have preferred to do in this case. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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