* Re: [9fans] Oooops...where is ls -R gone? @ 2001-08-16 1:32 dmr 2001-08-17 8:49 ` Douglas A. Gwyn 2001-08-17 16:02 ` Dan Cross 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: dmr @ 2001-08-16 1:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >> kinda weird how find(1) got deprecated. like dd(1), the options >> were ghastly, but it got the job done. > There was no find in research Unix, AFAIK, but I never used it directly > (except older PDP-11 versions on emulators). find(1) is too limited; you > have everything you need with du and the shell. No, it was there, in 6th and 7th editions and thereafter. A xenograft from USG, but there, albeit with a BUGS section saying "The syntax is painful." > Hmm... In terms of Unix, it would be nice if something >7th ed could > make it's way out of Bell Labs. I think at this point, it'd be more for > historical or academic interest than anything else. I wonder what SCO > would have to say about the issue? There are those chipping away at this. Part of the problem is that the SCO Unix property is (or has) transitioned to Caldera. Yet another new company in which to find someone who can make a decision. Dennis ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Oooops...where is ls -R gone? 2001-08-16 1:32 [9fans] Oooops...where is ls -R gone? dmr @ 2001-08-17 8:49 ` Douglas A. Gwyn 2001-08-17 12:11 ` Boyd Roberts 2001-08-17 16:02 ` Dan Cross 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Douglas A. Gwyn @ 2001-08-17 8:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans dmr@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > No, [find(1)] was there, in 6th and 7th editions and thereafter. > A xenograft from USG, but there, albeit with a BUGS section > saying "The syntax is painful." Unfortunately, there has never (to my knowledge) been a really satisfactory tree walker in any version of UNIX. Even "xargs", which one would think would be debugged by now, fails when there are spaces, ampersands, etc. in leaf names. I know of several attempts to provide library or kernel support for tree walking; the reason none were specified for POSIX <dirent.h> (which I was the main proponent for) was that none of them had worked well enough in practice to make a convincing case that they should be standardized. I think this is a solvable problem for which a really good solution would eventually attract users. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Oooops...where is ls -R gone? 2001-08-17 8:49 ` Douglas A. Gwyn @ 2001-08-17 12:11 ` Boyd Roberts 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Boyd Roberts @ 2001-08-17 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" <DAGwyn@null.net> > Unfortunately, there has never (to my knowledge) been a really > satisfactory tree walker in any version of UNIX. Even "xargs", > which one would think would be debugged by now, fails when > there are spaces, ampersands, etc. in leaf names. very true. be careful with that xargs, eugene ... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Oooops...where is ls -R gone? 2001-08-16 1:32 [9fans] Oooops...where is ls -R gone? dmr 2001-08-17 8:49 ` Douglas A. Gwyn @ 2001-08-17 16:02 ` Dan Cross 2001-08-21 16:32 ` Jon Snader 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Dan Cross @ 2001-08-17 16:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans In article <20010816013325.0875A19B08@mail.cse.psu.edu> you write: >> There was no find in research Unix, AFAIK, but I never used it directly >> (except older PDP-11 versions on emulators). find(1) is too limited; you >> have everything you need with du and the shell. > >No, it was there, in 6th and 7th editions and thereafter. A >xenograft from USG, but there, albeit with a BUGS section >saying "The syntax is painful." Whoops; okay, I stand corrected. > > Hmm... In terms of Unix, it would be nice if something >7th ed could > > make it's way out of Bell Labs. I think at this point, it'd be more for > > historical or academic interest than anything else. I wonder what SCO > > would have to say about the issue? > >There are those chipping away at this. Part of the problem >is that the SCO Unix property is (or has) transitioned to Caldera. >Yet another new company in which to find someone who can make >a decision. Isn't Caldera very much into the whole, ``opens source'' bit? Perhaps that can be leveraged.... Of course, I can sympathize with the dealing with a new company's beaurocracy issue. On a personal note, if I can do anything to assist with the efforts of those working on this, I'd be more than happy to offer what limited resources I have. - Dan C. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Oooops...where is ls -R gone? 2001-08-17 16:02 ` Dan Cross @ 2001-08-21 16:32 ` Jon Snader 2001-08-21 19:04 ` Re[2]: " Matt 2001-08-21 22:30 ` [9fans] Oooops...where is ls -R gone? Dan Cross 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Jon Snader @ 2001-08-21 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 12:02:56PM -0400, Dan Cross wrote: > > > >There are those chipping away at this. Part of the problem > >is that the SCO Unix property is (or has) transitioned to Caldera. > >Yet another new company in which to find someone who can make > >a decision. > > Isn't Caldera very much into the whole, ``opens source'' bit? Perhaps > that can be leveraged.... Of course, I can sympathize with the dealing > with a new company's beaurocracy issue. On a personal note, if I can do > anything to assist with the efforts of those working on this, I'd be > more than happy to offer what limited resources I have. > Apparently Caldera is already moving in the desired direction. See http://news.linuxprogramming.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-20-003-06-CD Jon Snader ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re[2]: [9fans] Oooops...where is ls -R gone? 2001-08-21 16:32 ` Jon Snader @ 2001-08-21 19:04 ` Matt 2001-08-21 20:29 ` Jon Snader 2001-08-22 8:21 ` Caldera source [ was Re: Re[2]: [9fans] Oooops...where is ls -R gone? ] Aharon Robbins 2001-08-21 22:30 ` [9fans] Oooops...where is ls -R gone? Dan Cross 1 sibling, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Matt @ 2001-08-21 19:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jon Snader >> Isn't Caldera very much into the whole, ``opens source'' bit? Perhaps >> that can be leveraged.... Of course, I can sympathize with the dealing >> with a new company's beaurocracy issue. On a personal note, if I can do >> anything to assist with the efforts of those working on this, I'd be >> more than happy to offer what limited resources I have. >> JS> Apparently Caldera is already moving in the desired direction. See JS> http://news.linuxprogramming.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-20-003-06-CD as the drift continues : if you follow the opinions of the /. crowd you'll know Caldera is not considered hardcore OSS. Some evangelists are positively hostile to them. I'm neutral on the issue (read reasonably ignorant). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Oooops...where is ls -R gone? 2001-08-21 19:04 ` Re[2]: " Matt @ 2001-08-21 20:29 ` Jon Snader 2001-08-22 8:21 ` Caldera source [ was Re: Re[2]: [9fans] Oooops...where is ls -R gone? ] Aharon Robbins 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Jon Snader @ 2001-08-21 20:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:04:40PM +0100, Matt wrote: > > JS> Apparently Caldera is already moving in the desired direction. See > JS> http://news.linuxprogramming.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-20-003-06-CD > > as the drift continues : > > if you follow the opinions of the /. crowd you'll know Caldera is > not considered hardcore OSS. Some evangelists are positively hostile > to them. I'm neutral on the issue (read reasonably ignorant). > I wasn't taking a position on what church Caldera worships at, I was merely suggesting that their willingness to open the source to Open Unix 8 may be an indication that they would be willing to release the source to the research versions of Unix as well. Jon Snader ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Caldera source [ was Re: Re[2]: [9fans] Oooops...where is ls -R gone? ] 2001-08-21 19:04 ` Re[2]: " Matt 2001-08-21 20:29 ` Jon Snader @ 2001-08-22 8:21 ` Aharon Robbins 2001-08-24 17:01 ` [9fans] Re: Caldera source Ralph Corderoy 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Aharon Robbins @ 2001-08-22 8:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans; +Cc: bwk >JS> Apparently Caldera is already moving in the desired direction. See >JS> http://news.linuxprogramming.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-20-003-06-CD Gee, I hope no-one tells them that Brian Kernighan has been able to make his awk available for going on eight years now. First via netlib, these days off his home page (http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/bwk). Arnold ("Why is that animal looking at me funny?") Robbins ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* [9fans] Re: Caldera source 2001-08-22 8:21 ` Caldera source [ was Re: Re[2]: [9fans] Oooops...where is ls -R gone? ] Aharon Robbins @ 2001-08-24 17:01 ` Ralph Corderoy 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Ralph Corderoy @ 2001-08-24 17:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Hi, > Gee, I hope no-one tells them that Brian Kernighan has been able to > make his awk available for going on eight years now. First via > netlib, these days off his home page > (http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/bwk). Brian's version should be preferred out of the two; it looks to have more bugs fixed. echo awk | awk '{gsub(/a/, "\\\\&")} 1' Ralph. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Oooops...where is ls -R gone? 2001-08-21 16:32 ` Jon Snader 2001-08-21 19:04 ` Re[2]: " Matt @ 2001-08-21 22:30 ` Dan Cross 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Dan Cross @ 2001-08-21 22:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans In article <20010821123217.A11647@ix.netcom.com> you write: >Apparently Caldera is already moving in the desired direction. See >http://news.linuxprogramming.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-20-003-06-CD That is good news; the time might be ripe to try and contact the folks who are behind that effort and prod them gently about the research Unix source. - Dan C. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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