* [9fans] Fifth Edition @ 2010-09-20 9:35 Mark Tuson 2010-09-20 11:58 ` Steve Simon 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Mark Tuson @ 2010-09-20 9:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Hi, I've just started playing with Plan 9 on a little machine I've fitted up as a laboratory, alongside OpenBSD and v7x86. Playing with it and reading the manual (which I printed off in its entirety at my college's library), I notice that it hasn't been updated for eight years or so. So I'm curious; is Plan 9, Fourth Edition going to be the last? Or is there a Fifth Edition on its way at some point? Also, out of interest, is there a copy of Third Edition extant on the web? It'd be nice to play with an older version on a VM, some time. Thanks. Mark. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition 2010-09-20 9:35 [9fans] Fifth Edition Mark Tuson @ 2010-09-20 11:58 ` Steve Simon 2010-09-27 16:20 ` Mark Tuson [not found] ` <472f4228-91d9-4ee0-a794-4bf1a605dd1f@f25g2000yqc.googlegroups.co> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Steve Simon @ 2010-09-20 11:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Playing with it and reading the manual (which I printed off in its > entirety at my college's library), I notice that it hasn't been > updated for eight years or so. So I'm curious; is Plan 9, Fourth > Edition going to be the last? Or is there a Fifth Edition on its way > at some point? A common misconception. Editions refer to major overhalls of the system, and to a lesser extent printed (i.e. paper) editions of the manual. Plan9 is continuously updated, changes often happening several times a week. You can update your installation to the latest provided on bell labs servers by running the pull script in glenda's bin directory. /usr/glenda/bin/rc/pull Note, the user who you perform pull as must be in group sys to have the rights to overwrite "system" files. -Steve ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition 2010-09-20 11:58 ` Steve Simon @ 2010-09-27 16:20 ` Mark Tuson 2010-09-28 0:27 ` Steve Simon ` (2 more replies) [not found] ` <472f4228-91d9-4ee0-a794-4bf1a605dd1f@f25g2000yqc.googlegroups.co> 1 sibling, 3 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Mark Tuson @ 2010-09-27 16:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Sep 20, 12:59Â pm, st...@quintile.net (Steve Simon) wrote: > > Playing with it and reading the manual (which I printed off in its > > entirety at my college's library), I notice that it hasn't been > > updated for eight years or so. So I'm curious; is Plan 9, Fourth > > Edition going to be the last? Or is there a Fifth Edition on its way > > at some point? > > A common misconception. Editions refer to major overhalls of the system, > and to a lesser extent printed (i.e. paper) editions of the manual. > > Plan9 is continuously updated, changes often happening several times a week. > > You can update your installation to the latest provided on bell labs servers > by running the pull script in glenda's bin directory. > > Â Â Â Â /usr/glenda/bin/rc/pull > > Note, the user who you perform pull as must be in group sys > to have the rights to overwrite "system" files. > > -Steve I understand how that works, with the edition not changing, but still, will there ever be a Fifth Edition? I've tried pull (copied pull from Glenda's account to mine) but it didn't work. Can't remember the exact error message, but it couldn't find the files, apparently. Even after I'd spent ages figuring out how to do networking. Is there a no way to update from a source other than the 'net? Like download a repository and install it from there? I'm perfectly happy updating over the 'net on my box, but it's a laptop that isn't on the supported list, so I have to be prepared for the network hardware not being fully supported, so if I can find a way to get the files onto it, I hope I can to do it from a local source, if need be. How up-to-date is the image on the Plan 9 site? I heard about the nightlies, but they don't seem to be around, so I'm assuming that the ISO on the site is the newest version. And are there any old versions of Plan 9 around that I could install in, say, QEMU? I know Third Edition was out there, but it's gone - I'd ask if anyone knows about First and Second, but that might not be wise, considering First was internal only and Second was purchase only. But still - ? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition 2010-09-27 16:20 ` Mark Tuson @ 2010-09-28 0:27 ` Steve Simon 2010-10-26 10:50 ` Uriel 2010-10-19 10:02 ` Mark Tuson 2010-10-20 8:45 ` Mark Tuson 2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Steve Simon @ 2010-09-28 0:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans the iso on the bell labs site is built nightly so if you have that you have the up-to-date source. I wouldn't expect there will be a fifth edition as most of the plan9 team from bell labs now work at google. Having said this it might happen, it depends on the priorities inside lucent-alcatel. you call update from a mounted iso image if you have no network but i cannot remember the exact runes, maybe the 9fans archives will help? the third edition is not very interesting, it is very similar to the fourth but has a different 9p protocol (and a few other things). the seccond was purchased like a book for $270 (from memory), the cdroms do appear (with license card one hopes) on ebay from time to time. I archived the four distribution floppies of the binary only "demo" release for posterity. the first edition was given to universities who expressed an interest, like Unix was in its early days. the license for ed1 was restrictive so these cdroms don't appear - some people might still have the single demo floppy that Rob gave out in london but thats your only hope. I put some historic papers and distribution images (copyright permitting) on http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/steve/historic, and I believe uriel has more on http://www.cat-v.org -Steve ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition 2010-09-28 0:27 ` Steve Simon @ 2010-10-26 10:50 ` Uriel 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Uriel @ 2010-10-26 10:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Steve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote: > I put some historic papers and distribution images (copyright permitting) on > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/steve/historic, and I believe uriel > has more on http://www.cat-v.org All the historical papers I have collected over the years are available at: http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/ and the 2nd Ed manual is online at: http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9_2nd_ed/ If anyone has access to the 1st Ed manuals or distribution, I will be happy to also add them to cat-v.org Enjoy uriel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition 2010-09-27 16:20 ` Mark Tuson 2010-09-28 0:27 ` Steve Simon @ 2010-10-19 10:02 ` Mark Tuson 2010-10-19 10:19 ` Lucio De Re 2010-10-19 10:46 ` Steve Simon 2010-10-20 8:45 ` Mark Tuson 2 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Mark Tuson @ 2010-10-19 10:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Sep 28, 1:30Â am, st...@quintile.net (Steve Simon) wrote: > the iso on the bell labs site is built nightly so if you have that you have the > up-to-date source. > > I wouldn't expect there will be a fifth edition as most of the plan9 team from bell > labs now work at google. Having said this it might happen, it depends on the > priorities inside lucent-alcatel. > > you call update from a mounted iso image if you have no network but > i cannot remember the exact runes, maybe the 9fans archives will help? > > the third edition is not very interesting, it is very similar to the fourth > but has a different 9p protocol (and a few other things). > > the seccond was purchased like a book for $270 (from memory), the cdroms do appear > (with license card one hopes) on ebay from time to time. I archived the > four distribution floppies of the binary only "demo" release for posterity. > > the first edition was given to universities who expressed an interest, > like Unix was in its early days. the license for ed1 was restrictive so > these cdroms don't appear - some people might still have the single demo floppy > that Rob gave out in london but thats your only hope. > > I put some historic papers and distribution images (copyright permitting) onhttp://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/steve/historic, and I believe uriel > has more onhttp://www.cat-v.org > > -Steve Steve, would you be willing to share copies of the demo discs? Which architecture do they use? I just want to play with something ancient as well as modern, then I'll feel like I have a better feel for the system. Thanks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition 2010-10-19 10:02 ` Mark Tuson @ 2010-10-19 10:19 ` Lucio De Re 2010-10-19 15:02 ` David Leimbach 2010-10-19 10:46 ` Steve Simon 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Lucio De Re @ 2010-10-19 10:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:02:22AM +0000, Mark Tuson wrote: > > Steve, would you be willing to share copies of the demo discs? Which > architecture do they use? I just want to play with something ancient > as well as modern, then I'll feel like I have a better feel for the > system. > I can't imagine any logical reason why this should be submitted as a public message. ++L ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition 2010-10-19 10:19 ` Lucio De Re @ 2010-10-19 15:02 ` David Leimbach 2010-10-19 18:05 ` hiro 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: David Leimbach @ 2010-10-19 15:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: lucio, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 752 bytes --] On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Lucio De Re <lucio@proxima.alt.za> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:02:22AM +0000, Mark Tuson wrote: > > > > Steve, would you be willing to share copies of the demo discs? Which > > architecture do they use? I just want to play with something ancient > > as well as modern, then I'll feel like I have a better feel for the > > system. > > > I can't imagine any logical reason why this should be submitted as a > public message. > > ++L > > I can't imagine any logical reason why pointing that out should have been a public message either. Or why this message should have been a public message pointing that out. But alas there they are, archived for eternity, on the internet. Shame really. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1144 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition 2010-10-19 15:02 ` David Leimbach @ 2010-10-19 18:05 ` hiro 2010-10-20 8:44 ` Mark Tuson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: hiro @ 2010-10-19 18:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Wenn hier nicht bald Ruhe ist werd ich euch alle an die ss verpfeifen, auch was ihr da alles mit dem weissen Hasen im Keller heimlich ansteckt! Das ist VERBOTEN und eine Schande fuer das Vaterland! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition 2010-10-19 18:05 ` hiro @ 2010-10-20 8:44 ` Mark Tuson 2010-10-20 13:40 ` Harri Haataja 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Mark Tuson @ 2010-10-20 8:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Oct 19, 7:06Â pm, 23h...@googlemail.com (hiro) wrote: > If this is peace I will not soon all of you to blow the whistle on the ss, > also why do you all secretly in the basement with the white rabbit > contagious! It is FORBIDDEN and a shame for my country! What the hell is this, bad poetry? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition 2010-10-20 8:44 ` Mark Tuson @ 2010-10-20 13:40 ` Harri Haataja 2010-10-20 16:00 ` Julius Schmidt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Harri Haataja @ 2010-10-20 13:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 20 October 2010 11:44, Mark Tuson <markfptuson@gmail.com> wrote: > On Oct 19, 7:06Â pm, 23h...@googlemail.com (hiro) wrote: >> If this is peace I will not soon all of you to blow the whistle on the ss, >> also why do you all secretly in the basement with the white rabbit >> contagious! It is FORBIDDEN and a shame for my country! > What the hell is this, bad poetry? Sounds more like the semirandom generated/quoted garbage that spammers use to probe email addresses. -- I appear to be temporarily using gmail's horrible interface. I apologise for any failure in my part in trying to make it do the right thing with post formatting. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition 2010-10-20 13:40 ` Harri Haataja @ 2010-10-20 16:00 ` Julius Schmidt 2010-10-20 19:39 ` hiro 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Julius Schmidt @ 2010-10-20 16:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: TEXT/PLAIN, Size: 752 bytes --] > On 20 October 2010 11:44, Mark Tuson <markfptuson@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Oct 19, 7:06Â pm, 23h...@googlemail.com (hiro) wrote: >>> If this is peace I will not soon all of you to blow the whistle on the ss, >>> also why do you all secretly in the basement with the white rabbit >>> contagious! It is FORBIDDEN and a shame for my country! >> What the hell is this, bad poetry? > > Sounds more like the semirandom generated/quoted garbage that spammers > use to probe email addresses. Of course google translation (or something worse) converts this garbage. If you don't be quiet, I'll tell the SS about you, especially what you're doing to that white rabbit in the basement! This is VERBOTEN [forbidden] and a shame for the homecountry! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition 2010-10-20 16:00 ` Julius Schmidt @ 2010-10-20 19:39 ` hiro 2010-10-20 20:58 ` Jacob Todd 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: hiro @ 2010-10-20 19:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > Of course google translation (or something worse) converts this > garbage. You mean automatically? That's evil. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition 2010-10-20 19:39 ` hiro @ 2010-10-20 20:58 ` Jacob Todd 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Jacob Todd @ 2010-10-20 20:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 281 bytes --] No, that's what google translate spits out when you enter your post that was in german. On Oct 20, 2010 3:41 PM, "hiro" <23hiro@googlemail.com> wrote: >> Of course google translation (or something worse) converts this >> garbage. > > You mean automatically? That's evil. > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 443 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition 2010-10-19 10:02 ` Mark Tuson 2010-10-19 10:19 ` Lucio De Re @ 2010-10-19 10:46 ` Steve Simon 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Steve Simon @ 2010-10-19 10:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans /n/sources/contrib/steve/historic/2nd-edition/pcdist/* there is some other stuff on there about the early releases which might be of interest. I have a copy of the 2nd edition cdrom, but that is still under copywrite so I cannot give you a copy unless you can supply me with a valid license serial number. This was printed on the business reply card that came with the original distribution pack from Harecourt Brace. -Steve ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition 2010-09-27 16:20 ` Mark Tuson 2010-09-28 0:27 ` Steve Simon 2010-10-19 10:02 ` Mark Tuson @ 2010-10-20 8:45 ` Mark Tuson 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Mark Tuson @ 2010-10-20 8:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Oct 19, 11:22Â am, lu...@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:02:22AM +0000, Mark Tuson wrote: > > > Steve, would you be willing to share copies of the demo discs? Which > > architecture do they use? I just want to play with something ancient > > as well as modern, then I'll feel like I have a better feel for the > > system. > > I can't imagine any logical reason why this should be submitted as a > public message. > > ++L Yeah, whoops. I'd forgotten this was Usenet then, thought it was a forum. Any road, it doesn't bother me if people know I'm after a copy. I've not done anything wrong, so I've nothing to hide. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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* Re: [9fans] Fifth Edition [not found] ` <472f4228-91d9-4ee0-a794-4bf1a605dd1f@f25g2000yqc.googlegroups.co> @ 2010-09-27 20:24 ` jake 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: jake @ 2010-09-27 20:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > I've tried pull (copied pull from Glenda's account to mine) but it > didn't work. Can't remember the exact error message, but it couldn't > find the files, apparently. Even after I'd spent ages figuring out how > to do networking. Is there a no way to update from a source other than > the 'net? Like download a repository and install it from there? I'm > perfectly happy updating over the 'net on my box, but it's a laptop > that isn't on the supported list, so I have to be prepared for the > network hardware not being fully supported, so if I can find a way to > get the files onto it, I hope I can to do it from a local source, if > need be. > I update my laptop by downloading and putting the newest iso on a flash drive in linux, the reboot into plan 9. Next I mount the iso in $home/contrib/contrib, then bind that to /n/sources and do replica/pull -v /dist/replica/network. That has worked fine for me for a couple of months. > How up-to-date is the image on the Plan 9 site? I heard about the > nightlies, but they don't seem to be around, so I'm assuming that the > ISO on the site is the newest version. > I believe they're updated whenever sources is updated, so it might not exactly be nightly, but they are updated frequently. > And are there any old versions of Plan 9 around that I could install > in, say, QEMU? I know Third Edition was out there, but it's gone - I'd > ask if anyone knows about First and Second, but that might not be > wise, considering First was internal only and Second was purchase > only. But still - ? > You can install the fourth edition in qemu just fine. http://www.9gridchan.org/9grid_node_img has some images that are built for doing grid work, you might want to check those out. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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