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From: sl@9front.org
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] There is no fork
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 09:15:48 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <C7EE2EC5BA4EC03DEC417468BF3FDE21@5ess.inri.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: CAJQ9t7j8rbq+cWRSFjoEdiFzOxPR7HgtkcgoXyJ=TSFai0ZRBg@mail.gmail.com

> On 2/13/18, Rui Carmo <rui.carmo@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I get the current website and some of the in-jokes, but a step-by-step guide
> > for installing, building and contributing would be great ...
>
> It's so easy to fall into the trap of elitism, while bemoaning the
> shortage of development hands needed to bring Plan 9 (or any one of
> its other flavours) into the "mainstream".
>
> What keeps Plan 9 alive and this list/group thriving is the
> conversation, irrespective of the actual pertinence to the "real
> world". It is knowing that the world has rejected the Plan 9 "grace"
> and are therefore not deserving, blah, blah. Human natures, humoured,
> harmlessly. Why not? Plan 9 is elegant, 9front presumably has some
> robust features, the other flavours can handle their own niche
> objectives.
>
> I've been absent here for a long spell and came back recently to
> discover most of the old hands still at it and some new blood raising,
> mutatis mutandis, the same issues we've seen go past since 1995 (for
> me). It is as familiar as it is reassuring.
>
> But the reality is that Plan 9 is too good in too many ways and the
> world can only absorb chunks of that at the time (disruptive
> technologies, I believe they were labelled, way back) and so it
> progresses very little while the few remaining contenders to the prize
> of OS of the century or millennium or whatever have the resources to
> track the bad engineering decisions they (the OSes) facilitate or even
> demand.
>
> Merging Plan 9 flavours would resolve many otherwise intractable
> problems, but it will do nothing to improve the penetration of Plan 9
> in the marketplace and no one has the funds to tackle it, even if they
> felt that the result would be worth it.
>
> But there is something in not following the fashion; I, for one,
> really cherish it. Mostly because it is all so simple, once you leave
> the baroque world of Windows, Linux and OSX behind.
>
> Lucio.

I think he was looking for

	http://fqa.9front.org/fqa4.html

and

	http://fqa.9front.org/fqa5.html

sl



             reply	other threads:[~2018-02-13 14:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-13 14:15 sl [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-02-14 14:37 sl
2018-02-14  0:31 sl
2018-02-14  7:18 ` Rui Carmo
2018-02-12 23:48 sl
2018-02-13  3:06 ` Lucio De Re
2018-02-13  9:31   ` Rui Carmo
2018-02-13 10:43     ` Lucio De Re
2018-02-13 11:05       ` hiro
2018-02-13 11:07         ` hiro
2018-02-13 11:13           ` hiro
2018-02-13 13:45           ` Lucio De Re
2018-02-13 14:35             ` hiro
2018-02-13 16:09               ` Lucio De Re
2018-02-13 15:10         ` Rui Carmo
2018-02-13 15:22           ` Lucio De Re
2018-02-13 16:25           ` Kurt H Maier
2018-02-13 17:01             ` Rui Carmo
2018-02-13 18:12               ` Kurt H Maier
2018-02-13 18:21                 ` Rui Carmo
2018-02-13 19:10                   ` Kurt H Maier
2018-02-13 23:37                     ` Rui Carmo
2018-02-14  9:09                       ` Steve Simon
2018-02-14 11:10                         ` Lucio De Re
2018-02-14 11:32                           ` hiro
2018-02-14 13:53                             ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2018-02-13 19:14                   ` hiro
2018-02-13 18:16           ` Steve Simon
2018-02-13 18:46             ` Bakul Shah
2018-02-10  2:48 Benjamin Huntsman
2018-02-10  4:24 ` Lucio De Re
2018-02-10 10:43   ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2018-02-10  4:43 ` Jens Staal
2018-02-10 10:46   ` hiro
2018-02-10 10:51     ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2018-02-10 11:59       ` hiro
2018-02-10 14:54         ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2018-02-10 12:03       ` as
2018-02-11 12:26 ` Giacomo Tesio
2018-02-11 13:48   ` Rui Carmo
2018-02-11 22:40   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-02-11 23:48   ` Benjamin Huntsman
2018-02-12  0:20     ` Giacomo Tesio
2018-02-12  0:58       ` Benjamin Huntsman
2018-02-12  1:10       ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2018-02-12  8:33         ` Giacomo Tesio
2018-02-12 13:05           ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2018-02-12 13:39             ` Lucio De Re
2018-02-13 13:59               ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2018-02-12 15:21             ` Giacomo Tesio
2018-02-12 15:50               ` Chris McGee
2018-02-12 16:13               ` tlaronde
2018-02-12 18:51                 ` Steve Simon
2018-02-12 20:40                 ` Giacomo Tesio
2018-02-12 23:49                   ` Benjamin Huntsman
2018-02-14 13:17               ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2018-02-14 13:57     ` Erik Quanstrom

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