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From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] There is no fork
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 11:46:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFSF3XPei23iDvFk5Z_ASjvAUPm9C4PwjpDM39wXwexUCc5UTg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK8RtFr=uJu7ohkquyOLF5kRxG56MJHYPwd337g7BEg2xz50cA@mail.gmail.com>

The reason 9front exists is because it was too difficult to get
patches applied to mainline plan9. Like geoff for mainline, 9front has
cinap as gatekeeper to maintain quality and when possible stability.
Also cinap is a programming monster and keeps on improving 9front
in big steps, so there isn't really any competition from the
point of view of a user.

Our way of collaboration might not be everybody's style: Grant money
doesn't exist, just one clear goal for everybody: advancing 9front.
Depending on the quality, contributions are either discussed till
fruition or, for trivial stuff, cleaned up and applied without big
discussion. Nobody is left to wonder for months why his patches suck,
there's always detailed feedback, for the people who want to improve.
Even as a bystander you can learn a lot from the process.

Admittedly a big chunk of the communication happens on irc (#cat-v)
and is not always
efficient. Sadly it's hard to work together if you don't all sit in
the same lab, so it's the best we can do. Still there are very
enlightening moments every now and then that are extremely satisfying.
Honest and early feedback helps the less experienced people not get
off track.

For some of us 9front is also a very important counterbalance to bad
technological decisions at our workplaces.

Of course we also multiply the rumours, secrecy, fear and
misunderstandings that have arisen around the plan 9 community with
our awesome propaganda and humour. So I see people getting offended
and distancing themselves. Sometimes it's not clear whether we should
laugh about this or be sad.

I don't speak for 9front, I speak for myself. People sadly aren't used
to the idea that we're all just independent individuals, so I'm
leaving this disclaimer here trying to avoid making a bad impression
on the project.



  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-10 10:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-10  2:48 Benjamin Huntsman
2018-02-10  4:24 ` Lucio De Re
2018-02-10 10:43   ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2018-02-10  4:43 ` Jens Staal
2018-02-10 10:46   ` hiro [this message]
2018-02-10 10:51     ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2018-02-10 11:59       ` hiro
2018-02-10 14:54         ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2018-02-10 12:03       ` as
2018-02-11 12:26 ` Giacomo Tesio
2018-02-11 13:48   ` Rui Carmo
2018-02-11 22:40   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-02-11 23:48   ` Benjamin Huntsman
2018-02-12  0:20     ` Giacomo Tesio
2018-02-12  0:58       ` Benjamin Huntsman
2018-02-12  1:10       ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2018-02-12  8:33         ` Giacomo Tesio
2018-02-12 13:05           ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2018-02-12 13:39             ` Lucio De Re
2018-02-13 13:59               ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2018-02-12 15:21             ` Giacomo Tesio
2018-02-12 15:50               ` Chris McGee
2018-02-12 16:13               ` tlaronde
2018-02-12 18:51                 ` Steve Simon
2018-02-12 20:40                 ` Giacomo Tesio
2018-02-12 23:49                   ` Benjamin Huntsman
2018-02-14 13:17               ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2018-02-14 13:57     ` Erik Quanstrom
2018-02-12 23:48 sl
2018-02-13  3:06 ` Lucio De Re
2018-02-13  9:31   ` Rui Carmo
2018-02-13 10:43     ` Lucio De Re
2018-02-13 11:05       ` hiro
2018-02-13 11:07         ` hiro
2018-02-13 11:13           ` hiro
2018-02-13 13:45           ` Lucio De Re
2018-02-13 14:35             ` hiro
2018-02-13 16:09               ` Lucio De Re
2018-02-13 15:10         ` Rui Carmo
2018-02-13 15:22           ` Lucio De Re
2018-02-13 16:25           ` Kurt H Maier
2018-02-13 17:01             ` Rui Carmo
2018-02-13 18:12               ` Kurt H Maier
2018-02-13 18:21                 ` Rui Carmo
2018-02-13 19:10                   ` Kurt H Maier
2018-02-13 23:37                     ` Rui Carmo
2018-02-14  9:09                       ` Steve Simon
2018-02-14 11:10                         ` Lucio De Re
2018-02-14 11:32                           ` hiro
2018-02-14 13:53                             ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2018-02-13 19:14                   ` hiro
2018-02-13 18:16           ` Steve Simon
2018-02-13 18:46             ` Bakul Shah
2018-02-13 14:15 sl
2018-02-14  0:31 sl
2018-02-14  7:18 ` Rui Carmo
2018-02-14 14:37 sl

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