From: Jules Merit <jules.merit.eurocorp.us@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 11:51:15 -0700 [thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: <CAFSF3XOpfSsKeNJcBzDmpT7BOhgu-y+RuXM8PQgxBT25SE=5oA@mail.gmail.com>
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Troff + net, I added ideas from vrml's for AR glasses I use for HUD
documents as I look off monitor still bashing the keyboard. Web proxy for
format translation.
On Sep 17, 2016 10:06 AM, "hiro" <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's hard to have a technical argument about this, because technical
> consideration was never a big driver of web "technologies".
>
> > Web programming would have also have started off with far greater ability
> There is nothing wrong with the web having a limited scope of features.
>
> > Web games, video-streaming applications, etc. on par with local
> applications
> If they are on par, then why waste time with the web part?
>
> > waiting years for even simple things to be standardized
> They never actually did wait. What they implemented instead was always
> horrible, and the incompatible standards created after the fact just
> make it even worse.
>
> > cookies and other privacy issues
> > sandboxed
> security and privacy in the web is hopeless. it plainly was never a real
> goal.
>
> > beneficial to getting them into programming
> popular things tend to drive people. doesn't say anything about the
> technical or even educational qualities though.
>
> > [...] friends in web development, they
> > have expressed concerns about ease-of-use [...]
> In this case they are liars. i know no single web developer who cares
> about ease-of-use.
>
> > system languages did not [...attract] them.
> it's not for everyone to design systems. but they still managed (if i
> am to believe you against their will) to waste their time doing
> redundant system development, reinventing poorly what we already had,
> which they couldn't find enough motivation to learn about.
>
> "the plan 9 way" is often only used in the sense of being consistent.
> This, elegance and cleanness is rarely seen in software, hardly
> evaluated and only often demanded. But some principles are just
> polished unix ideas and many others did exist before.
>
> Plan 9 technically is just one small collection of more consistent
> alternative building blocks, but the web has ignored, reinvented or
> misunderstood most others, too.
>
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-09-17 18:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-09-17 15:19 Marshall Conover
2016-09-17 16:23 ` Chris McGee
2016-09-17 17:04 ` hiro
2016-09-17 18:51 ` Jules Merit [this message]
2016-09-19 17:11 ` michaelian ennis
2016-10-01 15:03 ` James A. Robinson
2016-10-01 15:05 ` James A. Robinson
2016-09-19 12:44 Marshall Conover
2016-09-19 17:25 ` Chris McGee
2016-09-19 20:55 ` Chris McGee
2016-09-20 6:16 ` David Pick
2016-09-20 17:42 ` Chris McGee
2016-09-22 22:49 ` michaelian ennis
2016-09-22 22:53 ` Chris McGee
2016-09-20 7:47 ` hiro
2016-09-20 8:09 ` hiro
2016-09-19 22:00 Marshall Conover
2016-09-21 3:11 ` Chris McGee
2016-09-20 16:48 Marshall Conover
2016-09-20 19:46 ` hiro
2016-10-01 20:17 Marshall Conover
2016-10-01 20:21 ` Jules Merit
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