* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-16 22:23 John Floren
@ 2011-09-16 22:30 ` Nemo
2011-09-16 22:32 ` andrey mirtchovski
` (8 subsequent siblings)
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From: Nemo @ 2011-09-16 22:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
impressive :)
On Sep 17, 2011, at 12:23 AM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
> We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android
> phones. Because our slogan is "If it ain't broke, break it", we
> decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with
> Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone,
> to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern
> California and the change was obvious.
>
> The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer
> provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to
> start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks,
> Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a
> one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only
> takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno
> environment.
>
> As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook
> Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't
> tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on
> the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone
> calls, send texts, and use the data network.
>
> The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in
> mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The
> menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made
> significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do
> many common tasks:
>
> (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for
> the Nook, which has different keys available)
> * Back: Close the current window
> * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard
> * Home: Minimize the current window
> * Power: Turn off the screen
> * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget
> * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone
> * Power+Home: Restart Inferno
>
> Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK
> (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools
> package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly
> recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before
> proceeding--that's what we use to test.
>
> First, make absolutely sure you have the "adb" and "fastboot"
> commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the
> SDK and try running "adb" to be sure. Download the tarball from
> http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and
> unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno
> directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build
> process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run
> the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run
> Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will
> automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the
> regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid
> white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into
> the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go
> to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot
> into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into
> the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command "cd
> /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh". Reboot, let it boot into
> Inferno, and you're ready to go.
>
> You can also clone the repository
> (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this
> is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply
> try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the
> repository.
>
> Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email
> us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you
> won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken!
>
> Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial
> idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for
> years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the
> lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone
> OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno
> experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI,
> puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio,
> worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally
> figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist
> peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work
> with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and
> how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on
> the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally
> since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski for
> providing the OLPC framebuffer code (which ported to the Android
> phones relatively easily), and of course Charles Forsyth for keeping
> the Inferno torch lit all these years (and helping me figure out some
> puzzling problems throughout the summer)!
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 80+ messages in thread* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-16 22:23 John Floren
2011-09-16 22:30 ` Nemo
@ 2011-09-16 22:32 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-09-16 22:39 ` Mathieu Lonjaret
2011-09-16 22:41 ` Paul Lalonde
2011-09-16 23:34 ` Bruce Ellis
` (7 subsequent siblings)
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From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2011-09-16 22:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
this is cool!
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:23 PM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
> We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android
> phones. Because our slogan is "If it ain't broke, break it", we
> decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with
> Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone,
> to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern
> California and the change was obvious.
>
> The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer
> provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to
> start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks,
> Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a
> one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only
> takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno
> environment.
>
> As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook
> Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't
> tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on
> the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone
> calls, send texts, and use the data network.
>
> The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in
> mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The
> menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made
> significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do
> many common tasks:
>
> (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for
> the Nook, which has different keys available)
> * Back: Close the current window
> * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard
> * Home: Minimize the current window
> * Power: Turn off the screen
> * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget
> * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone
> * Power+Home: Restart Inferno
>
> Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK
> (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools
> package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly
> recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before
> proceeding--that's what we use to test.
>
> First, make absolutely sure you have the "adb" and "fastboot"
> commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the
> SDK and try running "adb" to be sure. Download the tarball from
> http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and
> unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno
> directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build
> process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run
> the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run
> Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will
> automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the
> regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid
> white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into
> the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go
> to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot
> into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into
> the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command "cd
> /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh". Reboot, let it boot into
> Inferno, and you're ready to go.
>
> You can also clone the repository
> (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this
> is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply
> try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the
> repository.
>
> Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email
> us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you
> won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken!
>
> Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial
> idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for
> years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the
> lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone
> OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno
> experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI,
> puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio,
> worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally
> figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist
> peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work
> with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and
> how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on
> the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally
> since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski for
> providing the OLPC framebuffer code (which ported to the Android
> phones relatively easily), and of course Charles Forsyth for keeping
> the Inferno torch lit all these years (and helping me figure out some
> puzzling problems throughout the summer)!
>
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 80+ messages in thread* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-16 22:32 ` andrey mirtchovski
@ 2011-09-16 22:39 ` Mathieu Lonjaret
2011-09-16 22:43 ` John Floren
2011-09-17 10:58 ` Richard Miller
2011-09-16 22:41 ` Paul Lalonde
1 sibling, 2 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: Mathieu Lonjaret @ 2011-09-16 22:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Brilliant.
Any idea how much work it would be to adapt that for the nokia n900?
(runs maemo linux as native OS, or an half-assed android -nitdroid-
with some hackery.)
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:32 AM, andrey mirtchovski
<mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
> this is cool!
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:23 PM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
>> We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android
>> phones. Because our slogan is "If it ain't broke, break it", we
>> decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with
>> Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone,
>> to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern
>> California and the change was obvious.
>>
>> The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer
>> provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to
>> start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks,
>> Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a
>> one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only
>> takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno
>> environment.
>>
>> As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook
>> Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't
>> tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on
>> the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone
>> calls, send texts, and use the data network.
>>
>> The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in
>> mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The
>> menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made
>> significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do
>> many common tasks:
>>
>> (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for
>> the Nook, which has different keys available)
>> * Back: Close the current window
>> * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard
>> * Home: Minimize the current window
>> * Power: Turn off the screen
>> * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget
>> * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone
>> * Power+Home: Restart Inferno
>>
>> Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK
>> (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools
>> package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly
>> recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before
>> proceeding--that's what we use to test.
>>
>> First, make absolutely sure you have the "adb" and "fastboot"
>> commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the
>> SDK and try running "adb" to be sure. Download the tarball from
>> http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and
>> unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno
>> directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build
>> process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run
>> the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run
>> Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will
>> automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the
>> regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid
>> white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into
>> the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go
>> to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot
>> into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into
>> the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command "cd
>> /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh". Reboot, let it boot into
>> Inferno, and you're ready to go.
>>
>> You can also clone the repository
>> (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this
>> is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply
>> try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the
>> repository.
>>
>> Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email
>> us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you
>> won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken!
>>
>> Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial
>> idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for
>> years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the
>> lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone
>> OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno
>> experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI,
>> puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio,
>> worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally
>> figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist
>> peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work
>> with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and
>> how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on
>> the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally
>> since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski for
>> providing the OLPC framebuffer code (which ported to the Android
>> phones relatively easily), and of course Charles Forsyth for keeping
>> the Inferno torch lit all these years (and helping me figure out some
>> puzzling problems throughout the summer)!
>>
>>
>
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 80+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-16 22:39 ` Mathieu Lonjaret
@ 2011-09-16 22:43 ` John Floren
2011-09-17 10:58 ` Richard Miller
1 sibling, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: John Floren @ 2011-09-16 22:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
I know absolutely nothing about the n900, but let me take a quick look
at the wiki page.
Ok, I'm thinking that the n900 seems much more of a pure Linux device
than an Android phone--it runs a derivative of X, even. I think with
probably rather minimal hacking, you could at least get Inferno
running on it, hosted by Linux and displaying in X. The hard part
would probably be talking to the cell radio.
John
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Mathieu Lonjaret
<mathieu.lonjaret@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brilliant.
> Any idea how much work it would be to adapt that for the nokia n900?
> (runs maemo linux as native OS, or an half-assed android -nitdroid-
> with some hackery.)
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:32 AM, andrey mirtchovski
> <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
>> this is cool!
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:23 PM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
>>> We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android
>>> phones. Because our slogan is "If it ain't broke, break it", we
>>> decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with
>>> Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone,
>>> to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern
>>> California and the change was obvious.
>>>
>>> The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer
>>> provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to
>>> start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks,
>>> Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a
>>> one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only
>>> takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno
>>> environment.
>>>
>>> As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook
>>> Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't
>>> tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on
>>> the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone
>>> calls, send texts, and use the data network.
>>>
>>> The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in
>>> mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The
>>> menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made
>>> significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do
>>> many common tasks:
>>>
>>> (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for
>>> the Nook, which has different keys available)
>>> * Back: Close the current window
>>> * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard
>>> * Home: Minimize the current window
>>> * Power: Turn off the screen
>>> * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget
>>> * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone
>>> * Power+Home: Restart Inferno
>>>
>>> Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK
>>> (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools
>>> package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly
>>> recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before
>>> proceeding--that's what we use to test.
>>>
>>> First, make absolutely sure you have the "adb" and "fastboot"
>>> commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the
>>> SDK and try running "adb" to be sure. Download the tarball from
>>> http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and
>>> unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno
>>> directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build
>>> process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run
>>> the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run
>>> Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will
>>> automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the
>>> regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid
>>> white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into
>>> the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go
>>> to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot
>>> into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into
>>> the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command "cd
>>> /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh". Reboot, let it boot into
>>> Inferno, and you're ready to go.
>>>
>>> You can also clone the repository
>>> (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this
>>> is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply
>>> try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the
>>> repository.
>>>
>>> Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email
>>> us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you
>>> won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken!
>>>
>>> Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial
>>> idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for
>>> years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the
>>> lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone
>>> OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno
>>> experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI,
>>> puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio,
>>> worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally
>>> figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist
>>> peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work
>>> with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and
>>> how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on
>>> the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally
>>> since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski for
>>> providing the OLPC framebuffer code (which ported to the Android
>>> phones relatively easily), and of course Charles Forsyth for keeping
>>> the Inferno torch lit all these years (and helping me figure out some
>>> puzzling problems throughout the summer)!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 80+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-16 22:39 ` Mathieu Lonjaret
2011-09-16 22:43 ` John Floren
@ 2011-09-17 10:58 ` Richard Miller
2011-09-17 12:24 ` Mathieu Lonjaret
1 sibling, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: Richard Miller @ 2011-09-17 10:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> Any idea how much work it would be to adapt that for the nokia n900?
No need for the android version on maemo - standard hosted
inferno "just works" on the n900. I've been running it for
quite a while (or was until my pocket was picked in Paris last
week ☹). I'll have to go back to my n800 (=n900 without the
phone part) which also runs standard inferno happily, after a
small mod to win-x11a (in contrib/miller/inferno/n800).
N900 is a nice device, but android phones can be a lot cheaper.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 80+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-17 10:58 ` Richard Miller
@ 2011-09-17 12:24 ` Mathieu Lonjaret
0 siblings, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: Mathieu Lonjaret @ 2011-09-17 12:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Good to know, thanks!
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
>> Any idea how much work it would be to adapt that for the nokia n900?
>
> No need for the android version on maemo - standard hosted
> inferno "just works" on the n900. I've been running it for
> quite a while (or was until my pocket was picked in Paris last
> week ☹). I'll have to go back to my n800 (=n900 without the
> phone part) which also runs standard inferno happily, after a
> small mod to win-x11a (in contrib/miller/inferno/n800).
>
> N900 is a nice device, but android phones can be a lot cheaper.
>
>
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 80+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-16 22:32 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-09-16 22:39 ` Mathieu Lonjaret
@ 2011-09-16 22:41 ` Paul Lalonde
2011-09-16 22:46 ` andrey mirtchovski
1 sibling, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: Paul Lalonde @ 2011-09-16 22:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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A pretty good week for 9fans!
Grats all involved!
Paul
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:32 PM, andrey mirtchovski
<mirtchovski@gmail.com>wrote:
> this is cool!
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:23 PM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
> > We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android
> > phones. Because our slogan is "If it ain't broke, break it", we
> > decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with
> > Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone,
> > to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern
> > California and the change was obvious.
> >
> > The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer
> > provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to
> > start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks,
> > Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a
> > one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only
> > takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno
> > environment.
> >
> > As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook
> > Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't
> > tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on
> > the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone
> > calls, send texts, and use the data network.
> >
> > The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in
> > mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The
> > menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made
> > significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do
> > many common tasks:
> >
> > (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for
> > the Nook, which has different keys available)
> > * Back: Close the current window
> > * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard
> > * Home: Minimize the current window
> > * Power: Turn off the screen
> > * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget
> > * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone
> > * Power+Home: Restart Inferno
> >
> > Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK
> > (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools
> > package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly
> > recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before
> > proceeding--that's what we use to test.
> >
> > First, make absolutely sure you have the "adb" and "fastboot"
> > commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the
> > SDK and try running "adb" to be sure. Download the tarball from
> > http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and
> > unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno
> > directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build
> > process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run
> > the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run
> > Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will
> > automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the
> > regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid
> > white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into
> > the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go
> > to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot
> > into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into
> > the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command "cd
> > /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh". Reboot, let it boot into
> > Inferno, and you're ready to go.
> >
> > You can also clone the repository
> > (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this
> > is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply
> > try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the
> > repository.
> >
> > Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email
> > us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you
> > won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken!
> >
> > Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial
> > idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for
> > years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the
> > lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone
> > OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno
> > experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI,
> > puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio,
> > worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally
> > figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist
> > peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work
> > with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and
> > how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on
> > the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally
> > since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski for
> > providing the OLPC framebuffer code (which ported to the Android
> > phones relatively easily), and of course Charles Forsyth for keeping
> > the Inferno torch lit all these years (and helping me figure out some
> > puzzling problems throughout the summer)!
> >
> >
>
>
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Please use paul.a.lalonde@gmail.com from now on.
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-16 22:41 ` Paul Lalonde
@ 2011-09-16 22:46 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-09-16 22:49 ` Nemo
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2011-09-16 22:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
John, turn a camera on and film the phone while using it, please!
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 80+ messages in thread* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-16 22:46 ` andrey mirtchovski
@ 2011-09-16 22:49 ` Nemo
2011-09-16 22:49 ` John Floren
2011-09-17 18:02 ` John Floren
2 siblings, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: Nemo @ 2011-09-16 22:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs; +Cc: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
or some screenshots at least :)
On Sep 17, 2011, at 12:46 AM, andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
> John, turn a camera on and film the phone while using it, please!
>
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-16 22:46 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-09-16 22:49 ` Nemo
@ 2011-09-16 22:49 ` John Floren
2011-09-17 18:02 ` John Floren
2 siblings, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: John Floren @ 2011-09-16 22:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:46 PM, andrey mirtchovski
<mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
> John, turn a camera on and film the phone while using it, please!
>
>
Unfortunately we can't use just any camera here at work... I'll see if
I can get one of the officially blessed cameras, otherwise it'll have
to wait until tonight/the weekend.
We also don't have any SIM cards sitting around to test with at the
moment--so I can show how to use the phone but won't be able to
demonstrate a real phone call. I'll see what I can do, though.
John
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-16 22:46 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-09-16 22:49 ` Nemo
2011-09-16 22:49 ` John Floren
@ 2011-09-17 18:02 ` John Floren
2011-09-17 18:26 ` Joel Armstrong
2 siblings, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: John Floren @ 2011-09-17 18:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:46 PM, andrey mirtchovski
<mirtchovski@gmail.com> wrote:
> John, turn a camera on and film the phone while using it, please!
>
>
Terrible video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF_-jQc53jw
Some screenshots are available at https://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/wiki/Home
John
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-17 18:02 ` John Floren
@ 2011-09-17 18:26 ` Joel Armstrong
2011-09-21 22:06 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
0 siblings, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: Joel Armstrong @ 2011-09-17 18:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:02 AM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
>
> Terrible video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF_-jQc53jw
Pretty good for being shot with a laptop webcam! I think incoming
calls should be working, though, unless I screwed something up between
last week and now (which is likely). The phone won't beep or anything
when a call comes in, but if you open up the dialer application the
status should say "incoming (15555555555)" and the dial button should
change to an answer button, etc.
Side note: I'm attempting to port to my HTC Inspire and by far the
biggest difficulty seems to be just getting the Android source to
compile, especially since you have to rely on mirrors since the
kernel.org attacks. I'm running into the USB enumeration errors as well.
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-17 18:26 ` Joel Armstrong
@ 2011-09-21 22:06 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-09-21 22:11 ` ron minnich
2011-09-21 22:14 ` John Floren
0 siblings, 2 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2011-09-21 22:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:26:49 -0700
Joel Armstrong <joelcarmstrong@gmail.com> wrote:
> The phone won't beep or anything
Does it not have audio?
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 80+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-21 22:06 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
@ 2011-09-21 22:11 ` ron minnich
2011-09-21 22:14 ` John Floren
1 sibling, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: ron minnich @ 2011-09-21 22:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis
<eekee57@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:26:49 -0700
> Joel Armstrong <joelcarmstrong@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The phone won't beep or anything
>
> Does it not have audio?
>
>
I'm not sure I understand the point of your question, but I'm not sure
you understand the issues surrounding your question :-)
I mean, of course it has audio. It's a phone.
ron
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-21 22:06 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-09-21 22:11 ` ron minnich
@ 2011-09-21 22:14 ` John Floren
2011-09-22 7:38 ` Bruce Ellis
2011-09-22 9:59 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
1 sibling, 2 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: John Floren @ 2011-09-21 22:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis
<eekee57@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:26:49 -0700
> Joel Armstrong <joelcarmstrong@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The phone won't beep or anything
>
> Does it not have audio?
>
>
I wasn't very involved in the audio side of things, but as I recall
there are separate controls for audio coming from/going to the cell
chip vs. audio that the user deals with. We have the cell audio
working so you can make a phone call and talk to someone. We haven't
built a /dev/audio yet, though, so there are no "notification" sounds.
John
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-21 22:14 ` John Floren
@ 2011-09-22 7:38 ` Bruce Ellis
2011-09-22 9:59 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
1 sibling, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Ellis @ 2011-09-22 7:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
The phones that I have worked on have *INSANE* audio routing. Qudos to
he who conquers.
A phone call is a damned good start though.
brucee
On 22 September 2011 08:14, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis
> <eekee57@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:26:49 -0700
>> Joel Armstrong <joelcarmstrong@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The phone won't beep or anything
>>
>> Does it not have audio?
>>
>>
>
> I wasn't very involved in the audio side of things, but as I recall
> there are separate controls for audio coming from/going to the cell
> chip vs. audio that the user deals with. We have the cell audio
> working so you can make a phone call and talk to someone. We haven't
> built a /dev/audio yet, though, so there are no "notification" sounds.
>
>
> John
>
>
--
Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-21 22:14 ` John Floren
2011-09-22 7:38 ` Bruce Ellis
@ 2011-09-22 9:59 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
1 sibling, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2011-09-22 9:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:14:43 -0700
John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis
> <eekee57@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:26:49 -0700
> > Joel Armstrong <joelcarmstrong@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The phone won't beep or anything
> >
> > Does it not have audio?
> >
> >
>
> I wasn't very involved in the audio side of things, but as I recall
> there are separate controls for audio coming from/going to the cell
> chip vs. audio that the user deals with. We have the cell audio
> working so you can make a phone call and talk to someone. We haven't
> built a /dev/audio yet, though, so there are no "notification" sounds.
Ah *nods* this is what I wanted to know, thanks. I hope it's not as
insane as Bruce mentions.
Also Ron: You were perfectly right.
/me intentionally fails to elaborate on that.
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-16 22:23 John Floren
2011-09-16 22:30 ` Nemo
2011-09-16 22:32 ` andrey mirtchovski
@ 2011-09-16 23:34 ` Bruce Ellis
2011-09-16 23:38 ` ron minnich
2011-09-16 23:59 ` Joseph Stewart
` (6 subsequent siblings)
9 siblings, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Ellis @ 2011-09-16 23:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
intense. good stuff. i have a source in china for cheap smartphones.
might be worth ordering some inferno branded phones.
brucee
On 17 September 2011 08:23, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
> We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android
> phones. Because our slogan is "If it ain't broke, break it", we
> decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with
> Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone,
> to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern
> California and the change was obvious.
>
> The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer
> provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to
> start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks,
> Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a
> one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only
> takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno
> environment.
>
> As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook
> Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't
> tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on
> the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone
> calls, send texts, and use the data network.
>
> The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in
> mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The
> menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made
> significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do
> many common tasks:
>
> (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for
> the Nook, which has different keys available)
> * Back: Close the current window
> * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard
> * Home: Minimize the current window
> * Power: Turn off the screen
> * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget
> * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone
> * Power+Home: Restart Inferno
>
> Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK
> (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools
> package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly
> recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before
> proceeding--that's what we use to test.
>
> First, make absolutely sure you have the "adb" and "fastboot"
> commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the
> SDK and try running "adb" to be sure. Download the tarball from
> http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and
> unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno
> directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build
> process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run
> the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run
> Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will
> automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the
> regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid
> white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into
> the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go
> to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot
> into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into
> the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command "cd
> /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh". Reboot, let it boot into
> Inferno, and you're ready to go.
>
> You can also clone the repository
> (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this
> is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply
> try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the
> repository.
>
> Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email
> us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you
> won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken!
>
> Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial
> idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for
> years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the
> lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone
> OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno
> experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI,
> puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio,
> worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally
> figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist
> peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work
> with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and
> how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on
> the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally
> since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski for
> providing the OLPC framebuffer code (which ported to the Android
> phones relatively easily), and of course Charles Forsyth for keeping
> the Inferno torch lit all these years (and helping me figure out some
> puzzling problems throughout the summer)!
>
>
--
Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
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2011-09-16 23:34 ` Bruce Ellis
@ 2011-09-16 23:38 ` ron minnich
0 siblings, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: ron minnich @ 2011-09-16 23:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
> intense. good stuff. i have a source in china for cheap smartphones.
> might be worth ordering some inferno branded phones.
would be fun, but wow these nexus s with amoled displays are so pretty!
But yeah cheap iPhones -- the original name, but some folks took it --
would be cool.
ron
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-16 22:23 John Floren
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2011-09-16 23:34 ` Bruce Ellis
@ 2011-09-16 23:59 ` Joseph Stewart
2011-09-17 2:01 ` John Floren
` (5 subsequent siblings)
9 siblings, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: Joseph Stewart @ 2011-09-16 23:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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You guys rock!
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 6:23 PM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
> We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android
> phones. Because our slogan is "If it ain't broke, break it", we
> decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with
> Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone,
> to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern
> California and the change was obvious.
>
> The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer
> provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to
> start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks,
> Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a
> one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only
> takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno
> environment.
>
> As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook
> Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't
> tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on
> the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone
> calls, send texts, and use the data network.
>
> The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in
> mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The
> menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made
> significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do
> many common tasks:
>
> (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for
> the Nook, which has different keys available)
> * Back: Close the current window
> * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard
> * Home: Minimize the current window
> * Power: Turn off the screen
> * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget
> * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone
> * Power+Home: Restart Inferno
>
> Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK
> (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools
> package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly
> recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before
> proceeding--that's what we use to test.
>
> First, make absolutely sure you have the "adb" and "fastboot"
> commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the
> SDK and try running "adb" to be sure. Download the tarball from
> http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and
> unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno
> directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build
> process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run
> the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run
> Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will
> automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the
> regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid
> white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into
> the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go
> to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot
> into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into
> the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command "cd
> /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh". Reboot, let it boot into
> Inferno, and you're ready to go.
>
> You can also clone the repository
> (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this
> is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply
> try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the
> repository.
>
> Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email
> us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you
> won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken!
>
> Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial
> idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for
> years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the
> lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone
> OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno
> experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI,
> puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio,
> worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally
> figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist
> peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work
> with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and
> how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on
> the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally
> since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski for
> providing the OLPC framebuffer code (which ported to the Android
> phones relatively easily), and of course Charles Forsyth for keeping
> the Inferno torch lit all these years (and helping me figure out some
> puzzling problems throughout the summer)!
>
>
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2011-09-16 22:23 John Floren
` (3 preceding siblings ...)
2011-09-16 23:59 ` Joseph Stewart
@ 2011-09-17 2:01 ` John Floren
2011-09-17 4:24 ` ron minnich
` (4 subsequent siblings)
9 siblings, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: John Floren @ 2011-09-17 2:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs, inferno-list
One caveat that I just came across: If you're trying to set up your
phone from Mac OS X, it's quite possible that the case-insensitive
filesystem will bite you. We have two directories at the same level,
named "android" and "Android". If you do an adb push from OS X,
they'll both end up in a directory called "android". Here's how you
can fix it:
(run adb shell)
# mkdir /data/inferno/Android
# mv /data/inferno/android/arm /data/inferno/Android/
There may be other problems lurking, but I'm pretty sure all of the
stuff Inferno needs is all lowercase.
John
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
> We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android
> phones. Because our slogan is "If it ain't broke, break it", we
> decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with
> Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone,
> to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern
> California and the change was obvious.
>
> The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer
> provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to
> start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks,
> Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a
> one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only
> takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno
> environment.
>
> As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook
> Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't
> tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on
> the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone
> calls, send texts, and use the data network.
>
> The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in
> mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The
> menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made
> significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do
> many common tasks:
>
> (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for
> the Nook, which has different keys available)
> * Back: Close the current window
> * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard
> * Home: Minimize the current window
> * Power: Turn off the screen
> * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget
> * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone
> * Power+Home: Restart Inferno
>
> Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK
> (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools
> package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly
> recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before
> proceeding--that's what we use to test.
>
> First, make absolutely sure you have the "adb" and "fastboot"
> commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the
> SDK and try running "adb" to be sure. Download the tarball from
> http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and
> unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno
> directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build
> process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run
> the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run
> Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will
> automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the
> regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid
> white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into
> the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go
> to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot
> into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into
> the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command "cd
> /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh". Reboot, let it boot into
> Inferno, and you're ready to go.
>
> You can also clone the repository
> (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this
> is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply
> try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the
> repository.
>
> Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email
> us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you
> won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken!
>
> Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial
> idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for
> years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the
> lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone
> OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno
> experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI,
> puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio,
> worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally
> figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist
> peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work
> with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and
> how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on
> the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally
> since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski for
> providing the OLPC framebuffer code (which ported to the Android
> phones relatively easily), and of course Charles Forsyth for keeping
> the Inferno torch lit all these years (and helping me figure out some
> puzzling problems throughout the summer)!
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 80+ messages in thread* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-16 22:23 John Floren
` (4 preceding siblings ...)
2011-09-17 2:01 ` John Floren
@ 2011-09-17 4:24 ` ron minnich
2011-09-17 4:35 ` John Floren
2011-09-17 4:43 ` Skip Tavakkolian
` (3 subsequent siblings)
9 siblings, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: ron minnich @ 2011-09-17 4:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs; +Cc: inferno-list
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
> Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK
> (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools
> package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities.
I think things have changed since you started this work a while back
-- hey, it's android, right?
First off, my phone when turned on says 'fastboot mode'. Does this
maybe mean it's already unlocked? It certainly doesn't match what the
various sites say I should expect to see. It does indicate that it is
locked, however.
Second off, I just pulled this down:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html (the mac version),
patiently waited while I did a
tools/android update sdk
and got lots and lots and lots of stuff, but ... no fastboot.
The link on this page http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Fastboot goes
to an HTC site -- is that really what I want for a samsung phone?
Ah, ok, went to the linux tools and it's there.
So, first step, everyone: in spite of the docs you see on many Android
pages, you may not have fastboot on OSX. Just Linux.
ron
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2011-09-17 4:24 ` ron minnich
@ 2011-09-17 4:35 ` John Floren
0 siblings, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: John Floren @ 2011-09-17 4:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:24 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
>
>> Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK
>> (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools
>> package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities.
>
>
> I think things have changed since you started this work a while back
> -- hey, it's android, right?
>
> First off, my phone when turned on says 'fastboot mode'. Does this
> maybe mean it's already unlocked? It certainly doesn't match what the
> various sites say I should expect to see. It does indicate that it is
> locked, however.
>
> Second off, I just pulled this down:
> http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html (the mac version),
> patiently waited while I did a
> tools/android update sdk
>
> and got lots and lots and lots of stuff, but ... no fastboot.
>
> The link on this page http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Fastboot goes
> to an HTC site -- is that really what I want for a samsung phone?
>
> Ah, ok, went to the linux tools and it's there.
>
> So, first step, everyone: in spite of the docs you see on many Android
> pages, you may not have fastboot on OSX. Just Linux.
>
> ron
>
>
We did all our development on Linux... had no idea fastboot doesn't
ship with the SDK for OS X. And yeah, the link on the cyanogenmod wiki
is outdated. Ugh.
Just use Linux, guys :) I've looked around a bit but have not yet been
able to find out where to download fastboot for OS X.
John
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 80+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-16 22:23 John Floren
` (5 preceding siblings ...)
2011-09-17 4:24 ` ron minnich
@ 2011-09-17 4:43 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2011-09-17 5:48 ` ron minnich
2011-09-17 15:36 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
` (2 subsequent siblings)
9 siblings, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: Skip Tavakkolian @ 2011-09-17 4:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs; +Cc: inferno-list
Nice work! I plan to try it on a few android devices the first chance i get.
BTW, my experience with the emulator at the api/dalvik level has given
me confidence that if i can run it on the emulator (interacting with
it using DDMS) i can run it on any device.
-Skip
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
> We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android
> phones. Because our slogan is "If it ain't broke, break it", we
> decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with
> Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone,
> to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern
> California and the change was obvious.
>
> The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer
> provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to
> start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks,
> Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a
> one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only
> takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno
> environment.
>
> As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook
> Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't
> tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on
> the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone
> calls, send texts, and use the data network.
>
> The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in
> mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The
> menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made
> significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do
> many common tasks:
>
> (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for
> the Nook, which has different keys available)
> * Back: Close the current window
> * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard
> * Home: Minimize the current window
> * Power: Turn off the screen
> * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget
> * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone
> * Power+Home: Restart Inferno
>
> Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK
> (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools
> package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly
> recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before
> proceeding--that's what we use to test.
>
> First, make absolutely sure you have the "adb" and "fastboot"
> commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the
> SDK and try running "adb" to be sure. Download the tarball from
> http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and
> unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno
> directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build
> process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run
> the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run
> Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will
> automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the
> regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid
> white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into
> the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go
> to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot
> into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into
> the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command "cd
> /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh". Reboot, let it boot into
> Inferno, and you're ready to go.
>
> You can also clone the repository
> (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this
> is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply
> try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the
> repository.
>
> Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email
> us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you
> won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken!
>
> Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial
> idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for
> years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the
> lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone
> OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno
> experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI,
> puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio,
> worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally
> figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist
> peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work
> with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and
> how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on
> the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally
> since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski for
> providing the OLPC framebuffer code (which ported to the Android
> phones relatively easily), and of course Charles Forsyth for keeping
> the Inferno torch lit all these years (and helping me figure out some
> puzzling problems throughout the summer)!
>
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 80+ messages in thread* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-17 4:43 ` Skip Tavakkolian
@ 2011-09-17 5:48 ` ron minnich
0 siblings, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: ron minnich @ 2011-09-17 5:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
OK, a little more info.
I booted a linux vm and ran the fastboot command to
unlock the phone
install clockwork mod recovery
at that point, once the phone rebooted, linux in the vm could no
longer enumerate it. Linux got usb events, but it could not, in its
own words, "enumerate the device"
So I went back to the mac, and using the adb tool, was able to find
the phone, connect to it, push a file to it, and install clockwork
mod.
Now, that clockwork mod is sitting here showing the boot screen endlessly.
So I went back to recovery screen on the phone, wiped the data and
cache again, rebooted again, and this time it came up fine.
adb shell gets a nice root shell. So, at this point, you'll own the phone.
So, tomorrow, on to inferno!
ron
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-16 22:23 John Floren
` (6 preceding siblings ...)
2011-09-17 4:43 ` Skip Tavakkolian
@ 2011-09-17 15:36 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-09-17 16:29 ` ron minnich
2011-09-27 23:05 ` John Floren
2011-11-04 21:45 ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
9 siblings, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2011-09-17 15:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:23:01 -0700
John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
> We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android
> phones. Because our slogan is "If it ain't broke, break it", we
> decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with
> Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone,
> to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern
> California and the change was obvious.
Excelent! Now where can I steal an Android phone from...
There's a tablet I might be able to get my hands on but it's got some
funky CPU; not ARM, something else. My memory is saying "Dragonball"
but I've got a feeling it's lying.
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2011-09-17 15:36 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
@ 2011-09-17 16:29 ` ron minnich
2011-09-17 17:46 ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-09-17 18:23 ` Joel Armstrong
0 siblings, 2 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: ron minnich @ 2011-09-17 16:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
OK, more data this morning.
Since the cyanogen upgrade, no linux vm I have on OSX/VMWare can
enumerate the phone over USB. This is a very common problem as
revealed by any search.
On the one linux box I have, the phone is enumerated as a USB storage.
There may be some setting I need to reset ... but that box, having
been turned off since april, seems to have decided it can't do wifi
more ... so, that's not an option at present!
I did try downloading the android sdk on a clean vmware-based linux
platform. No fastboot in there. So far the only fastboot I have is the
one I built from source during android bootcamp.
You can NOT install inferno from anything but Linux. There are a few
linux tool dependencies in th scripts that can not be satisfied (yet)
on a mac. I am going to see what is possible.
I continue to be amused that all these Java "write once run
everywhere" environments always come with a huge stack of "this CPU,
this OS, this version" programs without which they can not function.
Hmm. All I need with inferno is emu. Maybe inferno can teach them some
things :-)
Finally, it's a linux phone: I keep thinking I ought to be able to do
the install scripts on the phone, not on some other box and download
them. If I can figure out where to plug in an SD card -- it claims to
have one! -- I might just give that a go.
ron
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 80+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-17 16:29 ` ron minnich
@ 2011-09-17 17:46 ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-09-17 18:01 ` John Floren
2011-09-17 18:23 ` Joel Armstrong
1 sibling, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: Wes Kussmaul @ 2011-09-17 17:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 09:29 -0700, ron minnich wrote:
> If I can figure out where to plug in an SD card -- it claims to
> have one! -- I might just give that a go.
The MicroSD slot in my Droid X is hidden under the battery fwiw.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 80+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-17 17:46 ` Wes Kussmaul
@ 2011-09-17 18:01 ` John Floren
0 siblings, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: John Floren @ 2011-09-17 18:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Wes Kussmaul <wes@authentrus.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 09:29 -0700, ron minnich wrote:
>> If I can figure out where to plug in an SD card -- it claims to
>> have one! -- I might just give that a go.
>
> The MicroSD slot in my Droid X is hidden under the battery fwiw.
>
>
>
There's not actually an SD card in the Nexus S, it's apparently just
onboard flash made to look like one.
John
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 80+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-17 16:29 ` ron minnich
2011-09-17 17:46 ` Wes Kussmaul
@ 2011-09-17 18:23 ` Joel Armstrong
2011-09-17 20:26 ` ron minnich
2011-09-17 21:53 ` ron minnich
1 sibling, 2 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: Joel Armstrong @ 2011-09-17 18:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 9:29 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OK, more data this morning.
>
> Since the cyanogen upgrade, no linux vm I have on OSX/VMWare can
> enumerate the phone over USB. This is a very common problem as
> revealed by any search.
>
> On the one linux box I have, the phone is enumerated as a USB storage.
> There may be some setting I need to reset ... but that box, having
> been turned off since april, seems to have decided it can't do wifi
> more ... so, that's not an option at present!
>
> I did try downloading the android sdk on a clean vmware-based linux
> platform. No fastboot in there. So far the only fastboot I have is the
> one I built from source during android bootcamp.
>
> You can NOT install inferno from anything but Linux. There are a few
> linux tool dependencies in th scripts that can not be satisfied (yet)
> on a mac. I am going to see what is possible.
>
> I continue to be amused that all these Java "write once run
> everywhere" environments always come with a huge stack of "this CPU,
> this OS, this version" programs without which they can not function.
> Hmm. All I need with inferno is emu. Maybe inferno can teach them some
> things :-)
>
> Finally, it's a linux phone: I keep thinking I ought to be able to do
> the install scripts on the phone, not on some other box and download
> them. If I can figure out where to plug in an SD card -- it claims to
> have one! -- I might just give that a go.
If I'm understanding right, you have adb but not fastboot on Mac,
right? As long as your phone is unlocked, you can still install
inferno on the Nexus with just adb by manually flashing the boot
partition. Once you've pushed everything over to /data/inferno, run
the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script. It should fail at the fastboot step,
but that's fine. Reboot the phone into Cyanogen. Then, from the same
folder as the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script:
$ adb shell mount -o remount,rw /
$ adb push boot-inferno.img
$ adb shell
Now you'll be in an Android shell.
android$ cat /proc/mtd
This will hopefully give you a list of "mtd" devices and their names.
We only care about the one called "boot."
android$ cat /dev/zero > /dev/mtd/<"boot" device from above>
The zeroing step may not be necessary, but I've never tried flashing
the boot manually without it.
android$ flash_image boot /boot-inferno.img
Then reboot and it should work.
If it's broken, the good news is it's nearly impossible to screw up
the recovery partition. Boot into the bootloader by holding the power
and volume up buttons, then enter the recovery mode and reinstall
Cyanogen.
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-17 18:23 ` Joel Armstrong
@ 2011-09-17 20:26 ` ron minnich
2011-09-17 21:14 ` Joel Armstrong
2011-09-17 21:53 ` ron minnich
1 sibling, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: ron minnich @ 2011-09-17 20:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
joel, on osx, some scripts are not there. I was more concerned about
this than the flash failures because I'm not sure what they do.
sh: mkbootimg: command not found
Where did your version of this one come from? It's nowhere on my machine.
ron
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-17 20:26 ` ron minnich
@ 2011-09-17 21:14 ` Joel Armstrong
2011-09-17 21:15 ` Joel Armstrong
2011-09-17 21:25 ` ron minnich
0 siblings, 2 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: Joel Armstrong @ 2011-09-17 21:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:26 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> joel, on osx, some scripts are not there. I was more concerned about
> this than the flash failures because I'm not sure what they do.
>
> sh: mkbootimg: command not found
>
> Where did your version of this one come from? It's nowhere on my machine.
It comes from the full Android source. I guess it doesn't make sense
for it to be in the SDK. The android git server is dead right now, but
you can fetch a mirror of this specific sub-project at
https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_system_core/android_system_core.
It's in system/core if you already have an Android source tree.
The Android build system is a pain in general, but especially if you
just want to build a specific executable, so from the cloned
system_core tree:
cd libmincrypt
gcc -I../include/ -o sha.o -c sha.c
mv sha.o ../mkbootimg/
gcc -I../include/ -o mkbootimg -c mkbootimg.c
gcc -o mkbootimg mkbootimg.o sha.o
should do it.
Fastboot is in that tree too if you need a mac version.
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-17 18:23 ` Joel Armstrong
2011-09-17 20:26 ` ron minnich
@ 2011-09-17 21:53 ` ron minnich
2011-09-17 22:05 ` ron minnich
1 sibling, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: ron minnich @ 2011-09-17 21:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
A few corrections.
> $ adb shell mount -o remount,rw /
> $ adb push boot-inferno.img
adb push work/boot-inferno.img /boot-inferno.img
> $ adb shell
> Now you'll be in an Android shell.
> android$ cat /proc/mtd
> This will hopefully give you a list of "mtd" devices and their names.
> We only care about the one called "boot."
> android$ cat /dev/zero > /dev/mtd/<"boot" device from above>
> The zeroing step may not be necessary, but I've never tried flashing
> the boot manually without it.
It is hard to believe it is needed. The reason is the erase state of
flash is all 1s, not all zeros. Cat'ing zeros onto the flash is
probably not what you want: it corresponds to an all-bits-burned
state, not an all-bits-cleared state. In this case when you the next
step:
> android$ flash_image boot /boot-inferno.img
The mtd driver will likely erase the flash (to all 1s!) and then burn it :-)
> Then reboot and it should work.
android continues to work. But no inferno at present. I get the nice
white screen, but if I touch it, well, it's blank after a bit.
The parallel_push script did not work that well for me, I had to push
dis/ by hand. I think it would be better to copy the tar file over and
untar it -- would avoid mac silliness with case in the names, as well.
Anyway, I'm booted. I've taken notes and will post them later.
I think I'm still missing lots of stuff so I may just push the tar
file and untar it.
ron
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-17 21:53 ` ron minnich
@ 2011-09-17 22:05 ` ron minnich
2011-09-17 22:56 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-09-19 17:25 ` John Floren
0 siblings, 2 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: ron minnich @ 2011-09-17 22:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
OK, I just adb pushed the tar file over and untar'ed and things were
more complete.
So it's up on my nexus-s too. John, would recommend putting OSX and
linux versions of fastboot and mkbootimg into the tar file or on the
web page.
I can tell it's inferno because I hit a button and get instant
response. This is somewhat unlike the java-based experience, although
of course I'm not about to stop using android for good ... just for
most of the time :-)
What would truly be interesting, since we don't need to reboot to
switch modes, would be a button to
do just that ...
All right folks, it's there. Now it's time to contribute! You can see
the limitations, and this is a very hackable system. Somebody want to
write a gps device so I can cat my GPS coords and see if that creates
a number I can dial :-)
ron
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-17 22:05 ` ron minnich
@ 2011-09-17 22:56 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-09-19 17:25 ` John Floren
1 sibling, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2011-09-17 22:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
the video shows the OS to be pretty snappy, John. thanks!
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-17 22:05 ` ron minnich
2011-09-17 22:56 ` andrey mirtchovski
@ 2011-09-19 17:25 ` John Floren
2011-09-19 17:29 ` ron minnich
1 sibling, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: John Floren @ 2011-09-19 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 3:05 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> What would truly be interesting, since we don't need to reboot to
> switch modes, would be a button to
> do just that ...
>
It's really easy to switch modes from the shell.
To go from zygote to Inferno:
stop zygote
stop media
start media-inferno
start inferno
To go from inferno to zygote:
stop inferno
stop media-inferno
killall emu-g
start media
start zygote
Adding an appropriate menu item in Inferno would allow you to switch
back to the Java UI easily. Might be a little tougher on the Java side
to go to Inferno, without being connected to a PC.
John
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-19 17:25 ` John Floren
@ 2011-09-19 17:29 ` ron minnich
2011-09-19 17:29 ` ron minnich
0 siblings, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: ron minnich @ 2011-09-19 17:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:25 AM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 3:05 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What would truly be interesting, since we don't need to reboot to
>> switch modes, would be a button to
>> do just that ...
>>
>
> It's really easy to switch modes from the shell.
>
> To go from zygote to Inferno:
>
> stop zygote
> stop media
> start media-inferno
> start inferno
>
> To go from inferno to zygote:
>
> stop inferno
> stop media-inferno
> killall emu-g
> start media
> start zygote
>
> Adding an appropriate menu item in Inferno would allow you to switch
> back to the Java UI easily. Might be a little tougher on the Java side
> to go to Inferno, without being connected to a PC.
yeah, android is so powerful, eh? You can't just exit it.
ron
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-19 17:29 ` ron minnich
@ 2011-09-19 17:29 ` ron minnich
2011-09-19 21:49 ` Bruce Ellis
0 siblings, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: ron minnich @ 2011-09-19 17:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
but showing that menu on the inferno side would be very neat.
ron
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-19 17:29 ` ron minnich
@ 2011-09-19 21:49 ` Bruce Ellis
2011-09-19 22:09 ` Steve Simon
` (3 more replies)
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From: Bruce Ellis @ 2011-09-19 21:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Are there some clues about what is needed in a compatible phone?
Simply unlocked android or any other niggles? The phones available
from China are usually based on a big seller (and come off the same
hardware production line). One I have is based on the nokia E5 (and is
called the Wank E5). If I hurry I can throw around a box of new phones
at IWP9.
brucee
On 20 September 2011 03:29, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> but showing that menu on the inferno side would be very neat.
>
> ron
--
Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
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2011-09-19 21:49 ` Bruce Ellis
@ 2011-09-19 22:09 ` Steve Simon
2011-09-19 22:13 ` Joseph Stewart
` (2 subsequent siblings)
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From: Steve Simon @ 2011-09-19 22:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
"One I have is based on the nokia E5 (and is called the Wank E5)"
surely a forutune?
-Steve
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2011-09-19 21:49 ` Bruce Ellis
2011-09-19 22:09 ` Steve Simon
@ 2011-09-19 22:13 ` Joseph Stewart
2011-09-19 22:19 ` hiro
2011-09-19 22:48 ` John Floren
2011-09-22 10:11 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
3 siblings, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: Joseph Stewart @ 2011-09-19 22:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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Reminds me of some Chinese PC's we evaluated many years ago. One model was
called "My Personal Woody"...
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are there some clues about what is needed in a compatible phone?
> Simply unlocked android or any other niggles? The phones available
> from China are usually based on a big seller (and come off the same
> hardware production line). One I have is based on the nokia E5 (and is
> called the Wank E5). If I hurry I can throw around a box of new phones
> at IWP9.
>
> brucee
>
> On 20 September 2011 03:29, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> > but showing that menu on the inferno side would be very neat.
> >
> > ron
>
> --
> Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-19 21:49 ` Bruce Ellis
2011-09-19 22:09 ` Steve Simon
2011-09-19 22:13 ` Joseph Stewart
@ 2011-09-19 22:48 ` John Floren
2011-09-22 10:11 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
3 siblings, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: John Floren @ 2011-09-19 22:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Unlocked android, basically, but I think it's best if you can run
Cyanogenmod on it. That's what we've used for all of our testing,
because it's available for a lot of phones and provides a reasonably
similar environment across all of them.
Since the E5 is not an Android phone, you probably won't have much
luck with that one. See if there are any other Wank-ers that can run
Android.
John
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are there some clues about what is needed in a compatible phone?
> Simply unlocked android or any other niggles? The phones available
> from China are usually based on a big seller (and come off the same
> hardware production line). One I have is based on the nokia E5 (and is
> called the Wank E5). If I hurry I can throw around a box of new phones
> at IWP9.
>
> brucee
>
> On 20 September 2011 03:29, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>> but showing that menu on the inferno side would be very neat.
>>
>> ron
>
> --
> Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-19 21:49 ` Bruce Ellis
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2011-09-19 22:48 ` John Floren
@ 2011-09-22 10:11 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-09-22 12:30 ` Bruce Ellis
3 siblings, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2011-09-22 10:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:49:57 +1000
Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are there some clues about what is needed in a compatible phone?
> Simply unlocked android or any other niggles? The phones available
> from China are usually based on a big seller (and come off the same
> hardware production line). One I have is based on the nokia E5 (and is
> called the Wank E5). If I hurry I can throw around a box of new phones
> at IWP9.
I probably shouldn't ask, but how much would they be? Once you've found
a suitable model of course. I won't be at Madrid, but I imagine postage
within the EU would be reasonable. (I'm in Britain.) I'm thinking I'd
much rather have a model other people are using too, rather than
attempt to port to another model which might be quite different.
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2011-09-22 10:11 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
@ 2011-09-22 12:30 ` Bruce Ellis
2011-09-23 13:30 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
0 siblings, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Ellis @ 2011-09-22 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
The Wank E5 was AU$50. The only disappointing thing was that they took
the Wank tagging off the case, though it is still unashamed in the
battery compartment. I'm not sure how much fun It will be at the
airport with a dozen phones - but if I check them they'll get lost at
Heathrow.
brucee
On 22 September 2011 20:11, Ethan Grammatikidis <eekee57@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:49:57 +1000
> Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are there some clues about what is needed in a compatible phone?
>> Simply unlocked android or any other niggles? The phones available
>> from China are usually based on a big seller (and come off the same
>> hardware production line). One I have is based on the nokia E5 (and is
>> called the Wank E5). If I hurry I can throw around a box of new phones
>> at IWP9.
>
> I probably shouldn't ask, but how much would they be? Once you've found
> a suitable model of course. I won't be at Madrid, but I imagine postage
> within the EU would be reasonable. (I'm in Britain.) I'm thinking I'd
> much rather have a model other people are using too, rather than
> attempt to port to another model which might be quite different.
>
>
--
Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-22 12:30 ` Bruce Ellis
@ 2011-09-23 13:30 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-09-23 13:40 ` Richard Miller
0 siblings, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2011-09-23 13:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:30:56 +1000
Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Wank E5 was AU$50. The only disappointing thing was that they took
> the Wank tagging off the case, though it is still unashamed in the
> battery compartment. I'm not sure how much fun It will be at the
> airport with a dozen phones - but if I check them they'll get lost at
> Heathrow.
Wot? Don't want it without the label! Nah, seriously, that's a whole
lot better than the £200 I just saw for the HTC Wildfire which was
recommended to me as a cheap Android phone. I would like one if you're
all right bringing/posting it.
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-23 13:30 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
@ 2011-09-23 13:40 ` Richard Miller
2011-09-23 13:48 ` erik quanstrom
` (2 more replies)
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From: Richard Miller @ 2011-09-23 13:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
>> The Wank E5 was AU$50.
Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a
google search for "wank phone"?
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2011-09-23 13:40 ` Richard Miller
@ 2011-09-23 13:48 ` erik quanstrom
2011-09-23 13:51 ` Mathieu Lonjaret
2011-09-23 13:55 ` Brian L. Stuart
2 siblings, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: erik quanstrom @ 2011-09-23 13:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans, 9fans
On Fri Sep 23 09:41:43 EDT 2011, 9fans@hamnavoe.com wrote:
> >> The Wank E5 was AU$50.
>
> Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a
> google search for "wank phone"?
that might be a mistake but searching for "wank e5" turned up
nothing more offensive than el reg.
http://www.mobino1.com/product-1341.html
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-23 13:40 ` Richard Miller
2011-09-23 13:48 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2011-09-23 13:51 ` Mathieu Lonjaret
2011-09-23 23:14 ` Bruce Ellis
2011-09-23 13:55 ` Brian L. Stuart
2 siblings, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: Mathieu Lonjaret @ 2011-09-23 13:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Because deep inside you know it's just an elaborate ruse from brucee.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
>>> The Wank E5 was AU$50.
>
> Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a
> google search for "wank phone"?
>
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-23 13:51 ` Mathieu Lonjaret
@ 2011-09-23 23:14 ` Bruce Ellis
2011-09-26 7:26 ` Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
0 siblings, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Ellis @ 2011-09-23 23:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Hey!
Hold on ... I wouldn't believe me either.
On 23 September 2011 23:51, Mathieu Lonjaret <mathieu.lonjaret@gmail.com> wrote:
> Because deep inside you know it's just an elaborate ruse from brucee.
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
>>>> The Wank E5 was AU$50.
>>
>> Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a
>> google search for "wank phone"?
>
--
Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-23 23:14 ` Bruce Ellis
@ 2011-09-26 7:26 ` Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
2011-09-26 10:02 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-09-26 14:52 ` John Floren
0 siblings, 2 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan @ 2011-09-26 7:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Hi All,
Would this phone be able to run inferno?
"Samsung Google Nexus S I9023 Unlocked GSM Android Phone With 4"
Touchscreen, Dual-Cameras, WiFi & More!"
http://1saleaday.com/wireless/?CID=173477&AFID=178621
Its on sale today. Price $299. Does it make sense?
Thanks
dharani
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey!
>
> Hold on ... I wouldn't believe me either.
>
> On 23 September 2011 23:51, Mathieu Lonjaret <mathieu.lonjaret@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Because deep inside you know it's just an elaborate ruse from brucee.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
>>>>> The Wank E5 was AU$50.
>>>
>>> Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a
>>> google search for "wank phone"?
>>
>
> --
> Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-26 7:26 ` Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
@ 2011-09-26 10:02 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-09-26 14:52 ` John Floren
1 sibling, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2011-09-26 10:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 00:26:19 -0700
Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan <vdharani@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Would this phone be able to run inferno?
>
> "Samsung Google Nexus S I9023 Unlocked GSM Android Phone With 4"
> Touchscreen, Dual-Cameras, WiFi & More!"
It's running on at least one other Nexus S already:
http://9fans.net/archive/2011/09/356
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-26 7:26 ` Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
2011-09-26 10:02 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
@ 2011-09-26 14:52 ` John Floren
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From: John Floren @ 2011-09-26 14:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
That's the phone we used to develop, so yes.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
<vdharani@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Would this phone be able to run inferno?
>
> "Samsung Google Nexus S I9023 Unlocked GSM Android Phone With 4"
> Touchscreen, Dual-Cameras, WiFi & More!"
>
> http://1saleaday.com/wireless/?CID=173477&AFID=178621
>
> Its on sale today. Price $299. Does it make sense?
>
> Thanks
> dharani
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Bruce Ellis <bruce.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey!
>>
>> Hold on ... I wouldn't believe me either.
>>
>> On 23 September 2011 23:51, Mathieu Lonjaret <mathieu.lonjaret@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Because deep inside you know it's just an elaborate ruse from brucee.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The Wank E5 was AU$50.
>>>>
>>>> Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a
>>>> google search for "wank phone"?
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE)
>>
>>
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-23 13:40 ` Richard Miller
2011-09-23 13:48 ` erik quanstrom
2011-09-23 13:51 ` Mathieu Lonjaret
@ 2011-09-23 13:55 ` Brian L. Stuart
2011-09-23 14:05 ` Gorka Guardiola
2 siblings, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: Brian L. Stuart @ 2011-09-23 13:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> >> The Wank E5 was AU$50.
>
> Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a
> google search for "wank phone"?
Because it will cost you $4.99 a minute?
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* Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones
2011-09-16 22:23 John Floren
` (7 preceding siblings ...)
2011-09-17 15:36 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
@ 2011-09-27 23:05 ` John Floren
2011-11-04 21:45 ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
9 siblings, 0 replies; 80+ messages in thread
From: John Floren @ 2011-09-27 23:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs, inferno-list
Update: We now have a sort-of-working audio device in there. Sort of.
You can bind '#A' /dev and write to /dev/audio, 44.1KHz 16 bit PCM
audio will play fine. It'll also attempt to record 16KHZ 16 bit PCM,
but it comes out choppy. All the code is basically a crude hack from
the OpenSL ES example code.
Anyone with experience in OpenSL is encouraged to submit patches; I'm
feeling around in the dark here :-)
John
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2011-09-16 22:23 John Floren
` (8 preceding siblings ...)
2011-09-27 23:05 ` John Floren
@ 2011-11-04 21:45 ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2011-11-04 21:55 ` John Floren
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From: Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) @ 2011-11-04 21:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook
> Color.
And naturally, the Nexus S has been discontinued. At least, I can't
get my hands on one anywhere in Canada. Anyone have a souce for an
unlocked Nexus S (preferably from a US online dealer, for reasons too
absurd to go into).
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2011-11-04 21:45 ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
@ 2011-11-04 21:55 ` John Floren
2011-11-04 22:43 ` Masen Marshall
0 siblings, 1 reply; 80+ messages in thread
From: John Floren @ 2011-11-04 21:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
https://negrielectronics.com/google-nexus-s-i9020a-white-8503g-unlocked.html
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
<lyndon@orthanc.ca> wrote:
>> As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook
>> Color.
>
> And naturally, the Nexus S has been discontinued. At least, I can't
> get my hands on one anywhere in Canada. Anyone have a souce for an
> unlocked Nexus S (preferably from a US online dealer, for reasons too
> absurd to go into).
>
>
>
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2011-11-04 21:55 ` John Floren
@ 2011-11-04 22:43 ` Masen Marshall
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From: Masen Marshall @ 2011-11-04 22:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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You might want to check out eBay, usually a good way to pick up cheaper dev
hardware.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 4:55 PM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
>
> https://negrielectronics.com/google-nexus-s-i9020a-white-8503g-unlocked.html
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
> <lyndon@orthanc.ca> wrote:
> >> As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook
> >> Color.
> >
> > And naturally, the Nexus S has been discontinued. At least, I can't
> > get my hands on one anywhere in Canada. Anyone have a souce for an
> > unlocked Nexus S (preferably from a US online dealer, for reasons too
> > absurd to go into).
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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