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From: Anthony Sorace <a@9srv.net>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] A simple experiment
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:30:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CE4DBA89-86DB-4193-BCDB-AB63A9080D4E@9srv.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2o13426df11004291020he308509as3d957248279d96b4@mail.gmail.com>

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ron said:

> Oh, and, it is likely that when we issue that many or more reads, we
> want a flow controlled network. Just guessing :-)


You'd want one, sure. But (unless I'm missing something) it doesn't
seem that increasing the number of outstanding messages would
*require* it (your performance would just suck otherwise). If you
treat the number of outstanding requests as a tunable (per mount, per
network type) you'd be able to use the same protocol over minimal
links as on tcp.

dave said:

> Wasn't IL somewhat abandoned because to make it as good
> as TCP you basically had to implement TCP anyway?

My impression is that it was pulled from mainline mostly because it
was seen as being too much work to maintain for a small group. It's
also not really sensible to talk about "as good as" without defining
your context. Over fast, local networks, IL is faster than TCP. It's
not as generic, but that's not the same as "worse".

erik said:

> why is using nat to make many hosts look like one a bad thing?

I suspect the reaction is based on being forced to use it when you'd
rather not, like many residential ISPs require. It's particularly
upsetting when the CPE doesn't even have a globally routable address.

aside: i made the il connection. i think you've got either good luck
or a good config on your end. it didn't want to ask dns for some reason.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-04-30  2:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-27 17:38 ron minnich
2010-04-27 17:49 ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-27 18:05   ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2010-04-27 22:20   ` ron minnich
2010-04-27 22:22     ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-27 17:54 ` jake
2010-04-27 17:57   ` John Floren
2010-04-27 17:59     ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-27 18:35       ` John Floren
2010-04-27 18:56         ` Jorden M
2010-04-27 19:03         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2010-04-27 22:23           ` ron minnich
2010-04-28 11:51             ` Steve Simon
2010-04-28 13:18               ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-04-28 13:26                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-28 13:50                   ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-04-28 14:03                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-28 15:15                       ` Charles Forsyth
2010-04-28 13:20               ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-28 17:52               ` Tim Newsham
2010-04-28 17:57                 ` Tim Newsham
2010-04-28 18:00                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-28 18:42                   ` ron minnich
2010-04-28 19:06                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-28 19:40                       ` Russ Cox
2010-04-28 20:36                     ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2010-04-28 20:51                       ` ron minnich
2010-04-29 13:19                         ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2010-04-28 21:05                       ` EBo
2010-04-28 21:14                         ` ron minnich
2010-04-28 22:06                           ` EBo
2010-04-28 21:15                         ` Gorka Guardiola
2010-04-28 23:18                           ` [9fans] references/citations [was: A simple experiment] EBo
2010-04-28 21:18                       ` [9fans] A simple experiment Skip Tavakkolian
2010-04-28 23:04                         ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2010-04-29 12:40                     ` roger peppe
2010-04-29 12:54                       ` David Leimbach
2010-04-29 14:35                         ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-29 15:06                           ` David Leimbach
2010-04-29 15:24                             ` ron minnich
2010-04-29 15:34                             ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-29 16:06                               ` David Leimbach
2010-04-29 16:09                                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-29 17:08                               ` Bakul Shah
2010-04-29 17:20                                 ` ron minnich
2010-04-29 17:32                                   ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-30  2:30                                   ` Anthony Sorace [this message]
2010-04-30  4:27                                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-30 10:51                                     ` hiro
2010-04-30 14:46                                       ` Anthony Sorace
2010-04-29 17:23                                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-30  3:47                                   ` Bakul Shah
2010-04-30  5:01                                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-30 15:59                                       ` Bakul Shah
2010-04-30 16:13                                         ` erik quanstrom
2010-05-02 21:26                                           ` Bakul Shah
2010-04-29 18:52                               ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2010-04-29 19:03                                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-29 19:54                                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2010-04-29 19:58                                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-29 20:25                                       ` erik quanstrom
2010-05-03 11:34                                   ` Akshat Kumar
2010-04-29 19:47                                 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2010-04-29 17:48                         ` Tim Newsham
2010-04-29 17:59                           ` David Leimbach
2010-04-29 18:41                             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2010-04-29 18:42                               ` David Leimbach
2010-04-29 19:48                                 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2010-04-29 19:44                         ` C H Forsyth
2010-04-29 19:58                           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2010-04-29 20:41                           ` David Leimbach
2010-04-29 14:22                       ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-29 14:36                         ` David Leimbach
2010-04-29 14:43                           ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-29 15:03                             ` David Leimbach
2010-04-29 15:16                               ` ron minnich
2010-04-29 15:25                                 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2010-04-29 18:24                                   ` EBo
2010-04-29 15:06                             ` Gabriel Díaz
2010-04-29 20:32                               ` Christopher Nielsen
2010-04-29 20:40                                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-29 22:39                                   ` Christopher Nielsen
2010-04-29 20:45                                 ` hiro
2010-04-29 23:42                                 ` Derek Fawcus
2010-04-29 23:57                                   ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-30  9:44                                   ` Charles Forsyth
2010-04-29 15:18                       ` ron minnich
2010-04-27 22:21       ` ron minnich
2010-04-27 21:36 ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-04-27 21:54   ` EBo

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