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From: Anthony Sorace <a@9srv.net>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] A simple experiment
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:46:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <F951CC72-52C0-40ED-B748-1D2E552501D7@9srv.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <l2mf4d8fa41004300351obad7939bn576babd0d0f8c87b@mail.gmail.com>

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>> I suspect the reaction is based on being forced to use it when you'd
>> rather not, like many residential ISPs require. It's particularly
>> upsetting when the CPE doesn't even have a globally routable address.
>
> How much is many?

Um, some? I don't have any sort of global count. I've had 7 broadband
ISPs.
4 of the first 5 (I've stopped asking) wouldn't provide multiple IP
addresses
without moving to a "business-class" service, which is usually bundled
with
one or more things I didn't want (or want to pay for), like symmetric
links,
QoS terms, &c. 2 of the 7 (in the first three; maybe this practice has
finally
been discredited?) didn't provide the CPE with globally-routable IPs.
The
sample size is small, but is distributed across two countries and
three US
states. I've also gotten ample confirmation from others about the
first part.

And, of course, this doesn't address things like hotels and wifi
hotspots,
where the mandated use of nat is so common as to just be assumed.


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  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-30 14:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-27 17:38 ron minnich
2010-04-27 17:49 ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-27 18:05   ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2010-04-27 22:20   ` ron minnich
2010-04-27 22:22     ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-27 17:54 ` jake
2010-04-27 17:57   ` John Floren
2010-04-27 17:59     ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-27 18:35       ` John Floren
2010-04-27 18:56         ` Jorden M
2010-04-27 19:03         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2010-04-27 22:23           ` ron minnich
2010-04-28 11:51             ` Steve Simon
2010-04-28 13:18               ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-04-28 13:26                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-28 13:50                   ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2010-04-28 14:03                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-28 15:15                       ` Charles Forsyth
2010-04-28 13:20               ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-28 17:52               ` Tim Newsham
2010-04-28 17:57                 ` Tim Newsham
2010-04-28 18:00                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-28 18:42                   ` ron minnich
2010-04-28 19:06                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-28 19:40                       ` Russ Cox
2010-04-28 20:36                     ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2010-04-28 20:51                       ` ron minnich
2010-04-29 13:19                         ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2010-04-28 21:05                       ` EBo
2010-04-28 21:14                         ` ron minnich
2010-04-28 22:06                           ` EBo
2010-04-28 21:15                         ` Gorka Guardiola
2010-04-28 23:18                           ` [9fans] references/citations [was: A simple experiment] EBo
2010-04-28 21:18                       ` [9fans] A simple experiment Skip Tavakkolian
2010-04-28 23:04                         ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2010-04-29 12:40                     ` roger peppe
2010-04-29 12:54                       ` David Leimbach
2010-04-29 14:35                         ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-29 15:06                           ` David Leimbach
2010-04-29 15:24                             ` ron minnich
2010-04-29 15:34                             ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-29 16:06                               ` David Leimbach
2010-04-29 16:09                                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-29 17:08                               ` Bakul Shah
2010-04-29 17:20                                 ` ron minnich
2010-04-29 17:32                                   ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-30  2:30                                   ` Anthony Sorace
2010-04-30  4:27                                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-30 10:51                                     ` hiro
2010-04-30 14:46                                       ` Anthony Sorace [this message]
2010-04-29 17:23                                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-30  3:47                                   ` Bakul Shah
2010-04-30  5:01                                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-30 15:59                                       ` Bakul Shah
2010-04-30 16:13                                         ` erik quanstrom
2010-05-02 21:26                                           ` Bakul Shah
2010-04-29 18:52                               ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2010-04-29 19:03                                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-29 19:54                                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2010-04-29 19:58                                     ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-29 20:25                                       ` erik quanstrom
2010-05-03 11:34                                   ` Akshat Kumar
2010-04-29 19:47                                 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2010-04-29 17:48                         ` Tim Newsham
2010-04-29 17:59                           ` David Leimbach
2010-04-29 18:41                             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2010-04-29 18:42                               ` David Leimbach
2010-04-29 19:48                                 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2010-04-29 19:44                         ` C H Forsyth
2010-04-29 19:58                           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2010-04-29 20:41                           ` David Leimbach
2010-04-29 14:22                       ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-29 14:36                         ` David Leimbach
2010-04-29 14:43                           ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-29 15:03                             ` David Leimbach
2010-04-29 15:16                               ` ron minnich
2010-04-29 15:25                                 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2010-04-29 18:24                                   ` EBo
2010-04-29 15:06                             ` Gabriel Díaz
2010-04-29 20:32                               ` Christopher Nielsen
2010-04-29 20:40                                 ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-29 22:39                                   ` Christopher Nielsen
2010-04-29 20:45                                 ` hiro
2010-04-29 23:42                                 ` Derek Fawcus
2010-04-29 23:57                                   ` erik quanstrom
2010-04-30  9:44                                   ` Charles Forsyth
2010-04-29 15:18                       ` ron minnich
2010-04-27 22:21       ` ron minnich
2010-04-27 21:36 ` Federico G. Benavento
2010-04-27 21:54   ` EBo

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