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From: Andrew Simmons <andrew.simmons@xtra.co.nz>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Rant (was Re: Plan9 and Ada95?)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:34:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <F_1H7.900$Eq.108417@news.xtra.co.nz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011108124931.AAB4119A08@mail.cse.psu.edu>

<RANT>
It is surely neither polite nor accurate to describe mr pike as stamping his
foot and saying it isn't fair. I take him to have been expressing a sense of
frustration and sadness with the doctrinaire and ungenerous attitude of the
free software ultras. I mean, here you are able to obtain at no cost a
fascinating and elegant operating system (although admittedly the omission
of the "-v" flag from "cat" is odd), complete with source code and some of
the best-written documentation around, and instead of thanking Lucent and
the Plan 9 team for their astonishing generosity, you complain because the
system does not satisfy your arcane definition of "free".

I would however mildly disagree with mr pike in his choice of the splits in
the Christian churches as the most apt comparison with the free software
community. To my mind, a better parallel is with the various Judaean
liberation groups in "Monty Python's Life of Brian". The similarity between
the odium heaped on "splitters" by the Judaean People's Liberation Front (or
was it the People's Front for the Liberation of Judaea?), and the odium
heaped on "forkers" by the various free software factions is uncanny.
</RANT>

>
> And the people who might work on Plan 9 but don't, because they are
> committed to free software, are committed to the libre definition, not
> the gratis one.  Stamping your foot and saying it isn't fair won't
> change that.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-11-12 10:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-08 12:49 rob pike
2001-11-09 10:09 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-12 10:34 ` Andrew Simmons [this message]
2001-11-13 10:26   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-11-11 16:32 presotto
2001-11-12 10:44 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-10 10:15 forsyth
2001-11-09 22:54 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-09 22:46 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-09 22:37 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-09 22:26 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-10  0:10 ` William Josephson
2001-11-10  8:29   ` Matthew Hannigan
2001-11-10  8:39     ` Andrey A Mirtchovski
2001-11-11  1:38       ` Steve Kilbane
2001-11-11  3:34         ` Dan Cross
2001-11-11 11:20           ` Steve Kilbane
2001-11-11 17:30             ` Dan Cross
2001-11-12 10:42           ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-11  8:25         ` paurea
2001-11-11 17:31           ` Dan Cross
2001-11-09 22:11 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-12 10:41 ` martin.m.dowie
2001-11-09 14:01 forsyth
2001-11-09 13:54 forsyth
2001-11-12 10:32 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-09  7:41 Russ Cox
2001-11-09 17:27 ` Dan Cross
2001-11-08 18:03 anothy
2001-11-09 21:01 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-08 15:09 forsyth
2001-11-09 10:17 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-08 15:06 forsyth
2001-11-08 15:00 presotto
2001-11-08 12:30 bwc
2001-11-08 12:58 ` Re[2]: " Matt
2001-11-09  0:06   ` Noah Diewald
2001-11-09  9:51 ` Taj Khattra
2001-11-08 12:05 nigel
2001-11-09 10:08 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-09 13:43   ` Andrey A Mirtchovski
2001-11-08  8:51 Russ Cox
2001-11-08  9:22 ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-08  6:45 anothy
2001-11-08  8:05 ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-08 10:36   ` Christopher Nielsen
2001-11-08 10:39 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-08 21:22   ` Matthew Hannigan
2001-11-09  0:30 ` Steve Kilbane
2001-11-09  7:02   ` George Michaelson
2001-11-09 15:52     ` Caffienator
2001-11-09 21:06     ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-08  1:57 okamoto
2001-11-09  0:22 ` Dan Cross
2001-11-07 21:34 anothy
2001-11-08  5:30 ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-08  5:43   ` George Michaelson
2001-11-08  7:07     ` Jim Choate
2001-11-08  7:40     ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-08 10:40       ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-08 20:15       ` Quinn Dunkan
2001-11-08  5:59   ` Andrey A Mirtchovski
2001-11-08  7:16 ` Steve Kilbane
2001-11-29  4:44 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-07 19:58 forsyth
2001-11-07 20:18 ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-07 19:25 forsyth
2001-11-07 20:14 ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-08 10:38 ` Caffienator
2001-11-07 18:56 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-07 19:33 ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-08  1:43 ` Dan Cross
2001-11-29  5:01 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-07 17:54 [9fans] Re: Plan9 and Ada95? David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-07 18:26 ` [9fans] Rant (was Re: Plan9 and Ada95?) Lucio De Re
2001-11-08 10:39   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG

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