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From: Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Rant (was Re: Plan9 and Ada95?)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 01:38:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200111110138.BAA02696@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Message from Andrey A Mirtchovski <aam396@mail.usask.ca> of "Sat, 10 Nov 2001 02:39:30 CST." <Pine.GSO.4.10.10111100237110.9223-100000@ultra5a.usask.ca>

In terms of compilation speed versus compiled-code speed, the bias
is usually to the latter, 9fans notwithstanding. This is usually
the case: extra time spent during the coding phase (whether designing
or compiling) pays off in reduced time every time the application is
used.

If I had to rank the attributes of a compiler, I'd say:

1. Correctness.
2a. Speed of compiled code
2b. Size of compiled code
4. Usefulness of debugging
5. Speed of compilation process.

(2a and 2b vary in order, depending on particular circumstances)

But then, this ranking comes from a commercial compiler market, where
the customer doesn't see anything but the finished product. If you're
in an environment where you have cause to recompile the entire OS and
surrounding applications four times a day, I can see how (5) might work
its way up the list.

As a side-note: the "I don't care about run-time speed if I can run it
soon" approach is one of the reasons why Perl is popular.

steve




  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-11  1:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-09 22:26 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-10  0:10 ` William Josephson
2001-11-10  8:29   ` Matthew Hannigan
2001-11-10  8:39     ` Andrey A Mirtchovski
2001-11-11  1:38       ` Steve Kilbane [this message]
2001-11-11  3:34         ` Dan Cross
2001-11-11 11:20           ` Steve Kilbane
2001-11-11 17:30             ` Dan Cross
2001-11-12 10:42           ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-11  8:25         ` paurea
2001-11-11 17:31           ` Dan Cross
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-11-28 18:54 [9fans] Python filesystem Russ Cox
2001-11-28 19:09 ` Matt
2001-11-28 21:46   ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29 12:24     ` Matt
2001-11-29  5:49   ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-29  6:30     ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29  6:31       ` George Michaelson
2001-11-29  7:10         ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29 11:26           ` Sam Holden
2001-12-06 16:56           ` Ralph Corderoy
2001-12-06 17:32             ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29 10:50       ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-29 11:06         ` Boyd Roberts
2001-12-06 15:59           ` Ralph Corderoy
2001-11-29  7:21     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2001-11-29  7:32       ` Steve Kilbane
2001-12-03 22:39         ` Laura Creighton
2001-12-07  9:36           ` Ralph Corderoy
2001-12-07 14:07             ` Laura Creighton
2001-11-29  7:37       ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29 11:10         ` Christopher Nielsen
2001-11-29 19:51         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2001-11-29 10:08     ` John Murdie
2001-11-29 10:37       ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29 12:03       ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-11 16:32 [9fans] Rant (was Re: Plan9 and Ada95?) presotto
2001-11-12 10:44 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-10 10:15 forsyth
2001-11-09 22:54 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-09 22:46 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-09 22:37 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-09 22:11 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-12 10:41 ` martin.m.dowie
2001-11-09 14:01 forsyth
2001-11-09 13:54 forsyth
2001-11-12 10:32 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-09  7:41 Russ Cox
2001-11-09 17:27 ` Dan Cross
2001-11-08 18:03 anothy
2001-11-09 21:01 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-08 15:09 forsyth
2001-11-09 10:17 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-08 15:06 forsyth
2001-11-08 15:00 presotto
2001-11-08 12:49 rob pike
2001-11-09 10:09 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-12 10:34 ` Andrew Simmons
2001-11-13 10:26   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-08 12:30 bwc
2001-11-08 12:58 ` Re[2]: " Matt
2001-11-09  0:06   ` Noah Diewald
2001-11-09  9:51 ` Taj Khattra
2001-11-08 12:05 nigel
2001-11-09 10:08 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-09 13:43   ` Andrey A Mirtchovski
2001-11-08  8:51 Russ Cox
2001-11-08  9:22 ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-08  6:45 anothy
2001-11-08  8:05 ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-08 10:36   ` Christopher Nielsen
2001-11-08 10:39 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-08 21:22   ` Matthew Hannigan
2001-11-09  0:30 ` Steve Kilbane
2001-11-09  7:02   ` George Michaelson
2001-11-09 15:52     ` Caffienator
2001-11-09 21:06     ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-08  1:57 okamoto
2001-11-09  0:22 ` Dan Cross
2001-11-07 21:34 anothy
2001-11-08  5:30 ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-08  5:43   ` George Michaelson
2001-11-08  7:07     ` Jim Choate
2001-11-08  7:40     ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-08 10:40       ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-08 20:15       ` Quinn Dunkan
2001-11-08  5:59   ` Andrey A Mirtchovski
2001-11-08  7:16 ` Steve Kilbane
2001-11-29  4:44 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-07 19:58 forsyth
2001-11-07 20:18 ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-07 19:25 forsyth
2001-11-07 20:14 ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-08 10:38 ` Caffienator
2001-11-07 18:56 David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-07 19:33 ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-08  1:43 ` Dan Cross
2001-11-29  5:01 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-07 17:54 [9fans] Re: Plan9 and Ada95? David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-07 18:26 ` [9fans] Rant (was Re: Plan9 and Ada95?) Lucio De Re
2001-11-08 10:39   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-09-21 14:04 [9fans] Plan 9 versus CORBA? Andrew Simmons
2001-09-21 14:25 ` andrey mirtchovski
2001-09-21 14:29   ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-09-21 15:16   ` Scott Schwartz
2001-09-21 14:28 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-09-24  8:51   ` Andrew Simmons
2001-09-24 16:25     ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-24 22:43       ` George Michaelson
2001-09-24 22:54         ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25  0:37           ` George Michaelson
2001-09-25  0:39             ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25  0:55               ` George Michaelson
2001-09-25  1:00                 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25  0:42             ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25  0:56               ` George Michaelson
2001-09-25  1:00                 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25  1:23                   ` Scott Schwartz
2001-09-25  2:27                     ` Dan Cross
2001-09-25  2:31                       ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25  2:12                   ` Dan Cross
2001-09-25  2:32                     ` William Josephson
2001-10-01  9:51     ` Mike Warner
2001-09-21 14:33 ` Alexander Viro
2001-07-10 10:32 [9fans] sam vs acme rog
2001-07-10 10:43 ` Lucio De Re
2001-07-18  8:43   ` David Rubin
2001-07-18 21:17     ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-18 21:40       ` Scott Schwartz
2001-07-18 21:51         ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-18 22:55           ` George Michaelson
2001-07-18 23:00             ` Scott Schwartz
2001-07-19 15:34               ` Samterm panic (was Re: [9fans] sam vs acme) suspect
2001-07-19 16:00                 ` Scott Schwartz
2001-07-20  8:54                 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-19  0:00             ` [9fans] sam vs acme Boyd Roberts
2001-07-19  0:12             ` suspect
2001-07-19  0:14               ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-20  8:54             ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-20  9:47               ` George Michaelson
2001-07-20 10:08                 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-20 16:44                   ` Ozan Yigit
2001-07-20 21:57                     ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-10 16:04 ` [9fans] wily, acme, etc Ozan Yigit
2001-07-10 22:57 ` [9fans] sam vs acme Steve Kilbane
2001-07-10 23:23   ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-11  6:55     ` Steve Kilbane
2001-07-11 13:24       ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-11 21:20         ` Steve Kilbane
2001-07-12 10:36           ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-12  8:31         ` Ozan Yigit
2001-07-12 10:38           ` Boyd Roberts
     [not found] <aam396@mail.usask.ca>
2001-06-24 23:04 ` andrey mirtchovski
2001-06-24 22:14   ` Matt
2001-06-24 22:33   ` Scott Schwartz
2001-06-25  3:41     ` Dan Cross
2001-06-28 22:58     ` Boyd Roberts

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