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From: Dan Cross <cross@math.psu.edu>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 versus CORBA?
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:27:27 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200109250227.WAA19696@augusta.math.psu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010925012306.16242.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu>

In article <20010925012306.16242.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> you write:
>Link level encryption of any sort sucks, because it serves as an excuse
>to not insure proper end-to-end integrity.  Easily sniffable wireless
>ethernet focuses people's attention in a beautiful way.

Unfortunately, that's just not the case, though.  802.11 encryption
was, as you say, a bandaid.  I think it's intention was largely to put
the barrier to entry for sniffing wireless Ethernet on par with that
required for sniffing ``normal'' Ethernet (where, obviously, you'd need
a wire or sensative equipment to pick up latent radiated energy from a
wire).  Now, the response isn't to focus on the problem, but to try and
``fix'' 802.11.  A lot of people who are putting in, eg, end-to-end
crypto are doing so ``temporarily'' until the problems with the
wireless LAN are ``fixed.''

The real problem is that too many people hear a word containing the
letters ``crypto'' and automatically assume that word is equivalent to
``security.''  As we all know, and has history and the world in general
have painfully demonstrated time and time again, reliance on
cryptography alone only gives a hollow sense of false security.
Attacks on crypto are rare in comparison to attacks against, eg, the
reliability of software and the vulnerabilities inherent in code
generated by lazy programmers.

What's really needed is a holistic approach, that takes into account
the ``big picture'' of security, and which emphasizes that there is no
magic pill that one can swallow to provide blanket security, and that
true security can only be achieved through a combination of
complementary techniques.

But, good luck selling that one.  :-(

	- Dan C.



  reply	other threads:[~2001-09-25  2:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-21 14:04 Andrew Simmons
2001-09-21 14:25 ` andrey mirtchovski
2001-09-21 14:29   ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-09-21 15:16   ` Scott Schwartz
2001-09-21 14:28 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-09-24  8:51   ` Andrew Simmons
2001-09-24 16:25     ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-24 22:43       ` George Michaelson
2001-09-24 22:54         ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25  0:37           ` George Michaelson
2001-09-25  0:39             ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25  0:55               ` George Michaelson
2001-09-25  1:00                 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25  0:42             ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25  0:56               ` George Michaelson
2001-09-25  1:00                 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25  1:23                   ` Scott Schwartz
2001-09-25  2:27                     ` Dan Cross [this message]
2001-09-25  2:31                       ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25  2:12                   ` Dan Cross
2001-09-25  2:32                     ` William Josephson
2001-10-01  9:51     ` Mike Warner
2001-09-21 14:33 ` Alexander Viro
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-11-28 18:54 [9fans] Python filesystem Russ Cox
2001-11-28 19:09 ` Matt
2001-11-28 21:46   ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29 12:24     ` Matt
2001-11-29  5:49   ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-29  6:30     ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29  6:31       ` George Michaelson
2001-11-29  7:10         ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29 11:26           ` Sam Holden
2001-12-06 16:56           ` Ralph Corderoy
2001-12-06 17:32             ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29 10:50       ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-29 11:06         ` Boyd Roberts
2001-12-06 15:59           ` Ralph Corderoy
2001-11-29  7:21     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2001-11-29  7:32       ` Steve Kilbane
2001-12-03 22:39         ` Laura Creighton
2001-12-07  9:36           ` Ralph Corderoy
2001-12-07 14:07             ` Laura Creighton
2001-11-29  7:37       ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29 11:10         ` Christopher Nielsen
2001-11-29 19:51         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2001-11-29 10:08     ` John Murdie
2001-11-29 10:37       ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29 12:03       ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-09 22:26 [9fans] Rant (was Re: Plan9 and Ada95?) David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-10  0:10 ` William Josephson
2001-11-10  8:29   ` Matthew Hannigan
2001-11-10  8:39     ` Andrey A Mirtchovski
2001-11-11  1:38       ` Steve Kilbane
2001-11-11  3:34         ` Dan Cross
2001-11-11 11:20           ` Steve Kilbane
2001-11-11 17:30             ` Dan Cross
2001-11-12 10:42           ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-11  8:25         ` paurea
2001-11-11 17:31           ` Dan Cross
2001-09-26 13:24 [9fans] Plan 9 versus CORBA? jmk
2001-09-26 13:33 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-26  6:12 okamoto
2001-09-26  6:07 okamoto
2001-09-26  9:48 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-26  5:41 geoff
2001-09-26  9:47 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-26  3:18 okamoto
2001-09-26  3:13 okamoto
2001-09-26  4:44 ` Christopher Nielsen
2001-09-26  4:50   ` David Arnold
2001-09-26  9:01   ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-26  1:48 okamoto
2001-09-26  2:44 ` david presotto
2001-09-26  1:34 presotto
2001-09-26  1:26 okamoto
2001-09-25 14:29 forsyth
2001-09-25 14:19 rob pike
2001-09-26 15:44 ` Dan Cross
2001-09-25 13:42 presotto
2001-09-25  2:07 presotto
2001-09-24 22:46 rob pike
2001-09-25  8:36 ` Andrew Simmons
2001-09-24  9:17 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2001-09-21 16:11 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2001-09-21 15:29 anothy
2001-09-21 16:03 ` Dan Cross
2001-09-21 14:54 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2001-09-21 13:37 ` Lucio De Re
2001-09-21 14:29 Sape Mullender
2001-09-21 14:26 jmk
2001-09-21 16:25 ` suspect
2001-07-10 10:32 [9fans] sam vs acme rog
2001-07-10 10:43 ` Lucio De Re
2001-07-18  8:43   ` David Rubin
2001-07-18 21:17     ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-18 21:40       ` Scott Schwartz
2001-07-18 21:51         ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-18 22:55           ` George Michaelson
2001-07-18 23:00             ` Scott Schwartz
2001-07-19 15:34               ` Samterm panic (was Re: [9fans] sam vs acme) suspect
2001-07-19 16:00                 ` Scott Schwartz
2001-07-20  8:54                 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-19  0:00             ` [9fans] sam vs acme Boyd Roberts
2001-07-19  0:12             ` suspect
2001-07-19  0:14               ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-20  8:54             ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-20  9:47               ` George Michaelson
2001-07-20 10:08                 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-20 16:44                   ` Ozan Yigit
2001-07-20 21:57                     ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-10 16:04 ` [9fans] wily, acme, etc Ozan Yigit
2001-07-10 22:57 ` [9fans] sam vs acme Steve Kilbane
2001-07-10 23:23   ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-11  6:55     ` Steve Kilbane
2001-07-11 13:24       ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-11 21:20         ` Steve Kilbane
2001-07-12 10:36           ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-12  8:31         ` Ozan Yigit
2001-07-12 10:38           ` Boyd Roberts
     [not found] <aam396@mail.usask.ca>
2001-06-24 23:04 ` andrey mirtchovski
2001-06-24 22:14   ` Matt
2001-06-24 22:33   ` Scott Schwartz
2001-06-25  3:41     ` Dan Cross
2001-06-28 22:58     ` Boyd Roberts

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