[9fans] wily, acme, etc.

[Ozan Yigit <oz@tiger.cs.yorku.ca>]

rog@vitanuova.com writes:

> i've not used wily, but IMHO there are some places where a unix-based
> acme clone could never approach the real acme, namely those places
> where acme leverages the power of plan 9 (e.g. the filesystem
> interface, and the stuff you can do with a simple shell command under
> plan 9 which is impossible/extremely involved under unix)

indeed, but that is the real world wily lives in and it leverages whatever
it can. from the comment i assumed it had to do with wily-specific defects
and not the weather or the height of the sand dunes around... :-]

> presumably by this you mean the named-pipe RPC interface, not the sam
> command Edit command?  (which doesn't seem to be in wily)

i meant sam-like command redirections, sam addressing and regular
expressions, which we had for a long time. alas we did not have an
edit menu item, which acme got just a few months ago to to support
sam commands.

lucio@proxima.alt.za writes:

> If I could not have acme, wily would be great, but I find small
> inconsistencies a greater curse than large differences.

i think i know the frustration this can cause. on the other hand, this is
more of an issue for people who live more with acme/plan9 and i often thought
that wily everywhere else [even with its defects and small differences] would
be a good enough alternative to emacs, vi, ed or sam. i suppose some of the
differences can be removed without much disconfort to wily users, or i can
drop in an ACMEHARDER ifdef...

[see the following link for a now dated document by steve kotsopoulos
documenting the differences: http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~oz/wily/AcmeVsWily.html]

> Is there anything in wily for acme to learn?

i doubt it.

oz
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