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From: "Nigel Roles" <nigel@9fs.org>
To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: RE: [9fans] plan 9 ports to unix (including libdraw)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:33:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <HOEHIDJJJINMLFPOLFJCKEAIDFAA.nigel@9fs.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d0118b5cf7685bf21fe08e1a8707af55@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp>

> First of all, we need a robust file server!
> I want to shift our file server to fossil+venti, however, I'm still
> hasitating. This is because: 1) there are some negative experiences
> the users report. 2) no clear document to describe how to install it.
> 3) Is it really safe to use it as fossil+venti+auth server on one
> machine?
>
> Etec, etc
>
> Kenji

I've not had any experience of fossil+venti as to it's reliability,
but I would refer back to previous conversations here about disk
reliability. I'm nervous about committing important data to modern
disk drives, especially IDE drives.

Plan 9 offers three choices in increasing cost:

1. IDE drives with devfs mirroring
2. SCSI drives with devfs mirroring
3. DVD jukebox.

Unfortunately, I can't cost justify anything other than (1). This
has the feel of not actually providing much more reliability. and
recovering from a disk failure would be a homebrew affair, so
isn't quite good enough.

What would be equivalent on cost, and offer a reasonable recovery
route would be hardware RAID 5, so the BIOS can do the recovery
for me if needed.

I'm trying to secure my data, not put it at risk, so writing a
hardware RAID 5 driver for Plan 9 is not a good route to take,
even if I had the time just now!

There is excellent RAID 5 support in Linux, and reasonable (and
perhaps more trustworthy) support in FreeBSD. Thus a port of venti
to Lunix would offer people a means to secure their data without
having to give up on fossil or all the other nice things in Plan 9.

So we'll have less of the talk about rats thank you very much. There
are good reasons for taking the best of both I would have thought.




  reply	other threads:[~2003-10-20  6:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-17 16:30 David Presotto
2003-10-20  2:01 ` okamoto
2003-10-20  6:33   ` Nigel Roles [this message]
2003-10-20  8:29   ` Charles Forsyth
2003-10-20  8:45     ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2003-10-20  8:45     ` okamoto
2003-10-20  8:50       ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2003-10-20 17:21   ` ron minnich
2003-10-20 19:30     ` Charles Forsyth
2003-10-20 19:40       ` ron minnich
2003-10-20 20:07         ` mirtchov
2003-10-20 20:14           ` ron minnich
2003-10-20 21:08             ` David Presotto
2003-10-20 21:08           ` Enache Adrian
2003-10-20 21:17             ` mirtchov
2003-10-20 21:23               ` Scott Schwartz
2003-10-20 21:39                 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2003-10-20 23:12     ` Geoff Collyer
2003-10-21  1:16       ` okamoto
2003-10-21  2:48         ` okamoto
2003-10-21  3:23       ` Russ Cox
2003-10-21  3:33         ` okamoto
2003-10-21  3:56           ` Russ Cox
2003-10-21  4:01             ` ron minnich
2003-10-21 12:05               ` David Presotto
2003-10-21  6:28             ` Nigel Roles
2003-10-21  7:37             ` Richard Miller
2003-10-22  2:01               ` Adrian Tritschler
2003-10-21  9:39       ` a
2003-10-21 14:01     ` paurea
2003-10-21 16:05       ` C H Forsyth
2003-10-21 17:11         ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2003-10-21 11:20           ` Charles Forsyth
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-10-17 18:21 Caerwyn B Jones
2003-10-17 20:35 ` Derek Fawcus
2003-10-17 15:48 matt
2003-10-17 16:02 ` Nigel Roles
2003-10-17 16:14   ` matt
2003-10-17 15:13 Richard C Bilson
2003-10-17 13:03 Caerwyn B Jones
2003-10-13 18:31 Russ Cox
2003-10-13 21:34 ` Caerwyn Jones
2003-10-14  0:53 ` arisawa
2003-10-14 18:09 ` andrey mirtchovski
2003-10-14 18:10 ` andrey mirtchovski
2003-10-17  2:53 ` Richard C Bilson
2003-10-17  3:02   ` William Josephson
2003-10-17  9:42   ` a
2003-10-17 14:30   ` Joel Salomon
2003-10-17 14:38     ` Joel Salomon
2003-10-17 23:57       ` Bruce Ellis
2003-10-17 17:25   ` Roman Shaposhnick
2003-10-17 18:00     ` matt
2003-10-17 18:06       ` Roman Shaposhnick
2003-10-17 21:16         ` matt

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