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* [9fans] power pc port
@ 2003-07-29 15:03 David Presotto
  2003-07-29 16:34 ` David Presotto
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: David Presotto @ 2003-07-29 15:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

Sape consolidated our various powerpc ports and updated
the code to sources '/sys/src/9/power'.  Cheers.


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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-07-29 15:03 [9fans] power pc port David Presotto
@ 2003-07-29 16:34 ` David Presotto
  2003-07-30  8:25   ` plan9
  2003-08-01  9:02   ` plan9
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: David Presotto @ 2003-07-29 16:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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Arghh.  As people pointed out, /sys/src/9/power is a bad choice because it
clashes with the old sgi stuff that we don't support but others might still
be using.  I renamed it to /sys/src/9/ppc.

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From: David Presotto <presotto@closedmind.org>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: [9fans] power pc port
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:03:14 -0400
Message-ID: <a6c02621f0a7221fc6decae6db2ede0d@plan9.bell-labs.com>

Sape consolidated our various powerpc ports and updated
the code to sources '/sys/src/9/power'.  Cheers.

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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-07-29 16:34 ` David Presotto
@ 2003-07-30  8:25   ` plan9
  2003-08-01  9:02   ` plan9
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: plan9 @ 2003-07-30  8:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

Which machines or boards are ``blast'' and ``ucu'' configfiles related to ?


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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-07-29 16:34 ` David Presotto
  2003-07-30  8:25   ` plan9
@ 2003-08-01  9:02   ` plan9
  2003-08-01 13:39     ` Sape Mullender
                       ` (2 more replies)
  1 sibling, 3 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: plan9 @ 2003-08-01  9:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

presotto@closedmind.org (David Presotto) wrote in message news:<4b5afb74f399e57bd8c123746c233c27@plan9.bell-labs.com>...
> Arghh.  As people pointed out, /sys/src/9/power is a bad choice because it
> clashes with the old sgi stuff that we don't support but others might still
> be using.  I renamed it to /sys/src/9/ppc.
> --

The question was : what are those 2 new machines that support Plan 9 ?
Where can we buy them ?

PS : It is annoying to see how some people avoid some subjects...

Platform	Publicly available			Kernel Status

Intel x86		YES				actively supported
SGI			Yes				discontinued
NeXT			Yes				discontinued
Gnot			???				discontinued
Viaduct			NO				discontinued
SparcStation		YES				discontinued
Bitsy (ARM)		YES				merely supported
AlphaPC			YES				merely supported
Magnum			YES				discontinued

UCU			???				????????????
BLAST			???				????????????


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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-01  9:02   ` plan9
@ 2003-08-01 13:39     ` Sape Mullender
  2003-08-01 19:43       ` Richard Miller
  2003-08-01 17:50     ` [9fans] power pc port David Presotto
  2003-08-02  7:44     ` Charles Forsyth
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Sape Mullender @ 2003-08-01 13:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> The question was : what are those 2 new machines that support Plan 9 ?
> Where can we buy them ?
>
> UCU			???				????????????
> BLAST			???				????????????

You can't buy them.  The UCU is a telco board with a PowerPC 750 on it.
BLAST is another telco board with a PowerPC 8260 on it.  The code is provided
in case anyone wants to port to those PPC (or any other PPC) chips.

	Sape



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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-01  9:02   ` plan9
  2003-08-01 13:39     ` Sape Mullender
@ 2003-08-01 17:50     ` David Presotto
  2003-08-01 18:04       ` Christopher Nielsen
  2003-08-02  7:44     ` Charles Forsyth
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: David Presotto @ 2003-08-01 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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They are machines built by Lucent for the inside of cellular
stations.  Not likely that you'll ever see one.  However,
the port may be arbitrarily close to other ppc's that you
might find, making a port to those machines a bit easier.

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From: "plan9@itic.ca" <plan9@itic.ca>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] power pc port
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:02:28 GMT
Message-ID: <7458b557.0307311450.6cdfef9d@posting.google.com>

presotto@closedmind.org (David Presotto) wrote in message news:<4b5afb74f399e57bd8c123746c233c27@plan9.bell-labs.com>...
> Arghh.  As people pointed out, /sys/src/9/power is a bad choice because it
> clashes with the old sgi stuff that we don't support but others might still
> be using.  I renamed it to /sys/src/9/ppc.
> --

The question was : what are those 2 new machines that support Plan 9 ?
Where can we buy them ?

PS : It is annoying to see how some people avoid some subjects...

Platform	Publicly available			Kernel Status

Intel x86		YES				actively supported
SGI			Yes				discontinued
NeXT			Yes				discontinued
Gnot			???				discontinued
Viaduct			NO				discontinued
SparcStation		YES				discontinued
Bitsy (ARM)		YES				merely supported
AlphaPC			YES				merely supported
Magnum			YES				discontinued

UCU			???				????????????
BLAST			???				????????????

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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-01 17:50     ` [9fans] power pc port David Presotto
@ 2003-08-01 18:04       ` Christopher Nielsen
  2003-08-04  8:59         ` plan9
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Christopher Nielsen @ 2003-08-01 18:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> From: "plan9@itic.ca" <plan9@itic.ca>
>
> Platform	Publicly available			Kernel Status
>
> SGI			Yes				discontinued

AFAIK, SGI isn't publicly available. The last time I tried
wrestling with SGI about it, they "poltely declined" to
approve release of the source.

--
Christopher Nielsen
"They who can give up essential liberty for temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin


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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-01 13:39     ` Sape Mullender
@ 2003-08-01 19:43       ` Richard Miller
  2003-08-04  8:59         ` plan9
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Richard Miller @ 2003-08-01 19:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

I've also got 4th edition Plan 9 running on the ipengine, which is
based on the PowerPC 823.  I believe you can still buy those -
see http://www.brightstareng.com/ine1.htm for info.

I'm happy to contribute the port, but I should merge it with the other
ones in ppc first.

-- Richard



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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-01  9:02   ` plan9
  2003-08-01 13:39     ` Sape Mullender
  2003-08-01 17:50     ` [9fans] power pc port David Presotto
@ 2003-08-02  7:44     ` Charles Forsyth
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Charles Forsyth @ 2003-08-02  7:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

i've got a 2nd edition(!) powerpc port for the dual processor 603/603e bebox.
if you've got a Bebox from e-bay and you unaccountably have got time
to spare to try to update it, let me know ...
it's actually the first powerpc port and the cause of q[acl]'s existence, so
just for fun i diff'd parts of it against the current release and
it was interesting to see an effect similar to Chinese whispers.



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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-01 18:04       ` Christopher Nielsen
@ 2003-08-04  8:59         ` plan9
  2003-08-04  9:26           ` Christopher Nielsen
  2003-08-04  9:31           ` Charles Forsyth
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: plan9 @ 2003-08-04  8:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> AFAIK, SGI isn't publicly available. The last time I tried
> wrestling with SGI about it, they "poltely declined" to
> approve release of the source.


Right (I forgot that) ! That came from R2 which had diferent
license. Looking at the kernel code, it was VERY far from R4.

The init code might be helpfull. For the kernel itself, that 
may be a best bet to find the hardware specifications (if any).


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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-01 19:43       ` Richard Miller
@ 2003-08-04  8:59         ` plan9
  2003-08-04  9:25           ` Charles Forsyth
  2003-08-04 14:18           ` ron minnich
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: plan9 @ 2003-08-04  8:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> I believe you can still buy those -
> see http://www.brightstareng.com/ine1.htm for info.
> 

895$ for a 50MHz PPC... compared to Viaduct equivalent
which was told to be ~50$ ?

Isn't it expensive if you want n * Plan 9 CPUs ?


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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-04  8:59         ` plan9
@ 2003-08-04  9:25           ` Charles Forsyth
  2003-08-04 14:18           ` ron minnich
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Charles Forsyth @ 2003-08-04  9:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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i've not unearthed low-quantity prices for powerpc single-board
systems that are anywhere near $50.   i'd be delighted
to know where to find ones priced at even thrice that
or a little more.

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From: "plan9@itic.ca" <plan9@itic.ca>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] power pc port
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:59:48 GMT
Message-ID: <7458b557.0308020824.79388072@posting.google.com>

> I believe you can still buy those -
> see http://www.brightstareng.com/ine1.htm for info.
> 

895$ for a 50MHz PPC... compared to Viaduct equivalent
which was told to be ~50$ ?

Isn't it expensive if you want n * Plan 9 CPUs ?

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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-04  8:59         ` plan9
@ 2003-08-04  9:26           ` Christopher Nielsen
  2003-08-06  9:02             ` plan9
  2003-08-04  9:31           ` Charles Forsyth
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Christopher Nielsen @ 2003-08-04  9:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

There's a lot of proprietary hardware inside the older SGIs.
And I think you'd be hard pressed to find any documentation.
IANAL, but I would think that implementing a kernel after
looking at 2ed code would violate the license. Personally,
I wouldn't risk it.

Just my $0.02

On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 08:59:35AM +0000, plan9@itic.ca wrote:
> > AFAIK, SGI isn't publicly available. The last time I tried
> > wrestling with SGI about it, they "poltely declined" to
> > approve release of the source.
>
>
> Right (I forgot that) ! That came from R2 which had diferent
> license. Looking at the kernel code, it was VERY far from R4.
>
> The init code might be helpfull. For the kernel itself, that
> may be a best bet to find the hardware specifications (if any).

--
Christopher Nielsen
"They who can give up essential liberty for temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin


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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-04  8:59         ` plan9
  2003-08-04  9:26           ` Christopher Nielsen
@ 2003-08-04  9:31           ` Charles Forsyth
  2003-08-04 14:19             ` ron minnich
  2003-08-04 14:42             ` Jack Johnson
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Charles Forsyth @ 2003-08-04  9:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> AFAIK, SGI isn't publicly available. The last time I tried
> wrestling with SGI about it, they "poltely declined" to
> approve release of the source.

	...

>There's a lot of proprietary hardware inside the older SGIs.
>And I think you'd be hard pressed to find any documentation.

the silly thing is that there are or were linux ports
to several of the SGI devices that ran Plan 9 (and some others). certainly
i've got a copy of such a linux where the files are dated 1998.
if you've got the energy (which i suppose you might
if you've got the incentive of owning the appropriate hardware) you might
find an intelligent human being at SGI who will understand
that if linux exists for it, it is pointless preventing release of Plan 9
source for the same hardware.  unless, of course, they
are particularly astute and are trying to preven the
release of a readable system for that hardware.

alternatively, you could use the Linux code as a guide
to driving the hardware and re-port Plan 9.
it will be hard in the case of l.s and mmu.c because
Linux ever has had, as far as i can tell from arm and powerpc ports,
a remarkably x86-based approach to MMU
handling and Plan 9 takes a quite different approach,
especially on the multiprocessors.

it's a shame because the code in /sys/src/9/power/mmu.c
is a delight: clean multiprocessor mmu handling by wielding
logic (eg, carefully worked out invariants) rather than
sledgehammers (eg, interprocessor traps, locks and signals).
i used a variant on the bebox for that reason.
that code isn't SGIs.  i thought it was a good example to study
in an OS class.



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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-04  8:59         ` plan9
  2003-08-04  9:25           ` Charles Forsyth
@ 2003-08-04 14:18           ` ron minnich
  2003-08-05 10:22             ` Richard Miller
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: ron minnich @ 2003-08-04 14:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, plan9@itic.ca wrote:

> 895$ for a 50MHz PPC... compared to Viaduct equivalent
> which was told to be ~50$ ?

yeah, that is the "PPC problem". They're always about 10x over on
price/performance. You can get for ca. $150 today a 1 GHZ VIA C3 mobo --
much nicer.

ron



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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-04  9:31           ` Charles Forsyth
@ 2003-08-04 14:19             ` ron minnich
  2003-08-04 14:44               ` David Presotto
  2003-08-04 14:42             ` Jack Johnson
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: ron minnich @ 2003-08-04 14:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Charles Forsyth wrote:

> if you've got the energy (which i suppose you might
> if you've got the incentive of owning the appropriate hardware) you might
> find an intelligent human being at SGI who will understand

there's the problem. The people who have to make this decision are
probably either (1) laid off, or even worse, (2) lawyers. So much for
intelligent life.

I should tell you the K7 story sometime.

ron



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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-04  9:31           ` Charles Forsyth
  2003-08-04 14:19             ` ron minnich
@ 2003-08-04 14:42             ` Jack Johnson
  2003-08-07 18:06               ` C H Forsyth
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Jack Johnson @ 2003-08-04 14:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

Charles Forsyth wrote:
> i used a variant on the bebox for that reason.

Sorry to be a pest, but any chance of the bebox port seeing the light of
day?  Dead hardware line, dead OS line, it would be nice to keep it
chugging along.

-Jack



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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-04 14:19             ` ron minnich
@ 2003-08-04 14:44               ` David Presotto
  2003-08-04 14:50                 ` Jack Johnson
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: David Presotto @ 2003-08-04 14:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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Unfair! Lawyers are a lot smarter than we are.  And they're minimalists too;
the answer to all questions is 'no'.

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From: ron minnich <rminnich@lanl.gov>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] power pc port
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:19:45 -0600 (MDT)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0308040818520.29899-100000@maxroach.lanl.gov>

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Charles Forsyth wrote:

> if you've got the energy (which i suppose you might
> if you've got the incentive of owning the appropriate hardware) you might
> find an intelligent human being at SGI who will understand

there's the problem. The people who have to make this decision are
probably either (1) laid off, or even worse, (2) lawyers. So much for
intelligent life.

I should tell you the K7 story sometime.

ron

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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-04 14:44               ` David Presotto
@ 2003-08-04 14:50                 ` Jack Johnson
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Jack Johnson @ 2003-08-04 14:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

David Presotto wrote:
> Unfair! Lawyers are a lot smarter than we are.  And they're minimalists too;
> the answer to all questions is 'no'.

I think they're reductionists.

"Can I make money off this?"

-Jack



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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-04 14:18           ` ron minnich
@ 2003-08-05 10:22             ` Richard Miller
  2003-08-05 12:05               ` northern snowfall
                                 ` (3 more replies)
  0 siblings, 4 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Richard Miller @ 2003-08-05 10:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> yeah, that is the "PPC problem". They're always about 10x over on
> price/performance. You can get for ca. $150 today a 1 GHZ VIA C3 mobo --
> much nicer.

I agree that the single-quantity price for the ipengine-1 is very
high, but you're not comparing like with like.  The ipengine isn't
meant to be a generic desktop PC motherboard.  It's the size of a
credit card, has an integrated FPGA and lots of programmable I/O pins,
and comes with reasonably good hardware docs including schematics ..
all useful for designing / prototyping a special-purpose embedded
system.  Also the one-off price includes case and power supply, so
it's usable as a complete (fanless, diskless - i.e.  dead silent)
computer, if your application fits in the 4MB onboard flash.

If Plan 9 is a bit of a tight squeeze, you can get Inferno from
Vita Nuova (which served as a useful reference for the original
Plan 9 ipengine implementation - thanks, Charles!).

Aside: do our international readers know what "Chinese whispers" are?

-- Richard



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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-05 10:22             ` Richard Miller
@ 2003-08-05 12:05               ` northern snowfall
  2003-08-05 12:53               ` Dan Cross
                                 ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: northern snowfall @ 2003-08-05 12:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

>
>
>Aside: do our international readers know what "Chinese whispers" are?
>
I do, and since I'm across the pond I suppose
you can consider us Yanks as international
readers. :-P

Don

http://www.7f.no-ip.com/~north_





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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-05 10:22             ` Richard Miller
  2003-08-05 12:05               ` northern snowfall
@ 2003-08-05 12:53               ` Dan Cross
  2003-08-05 13:19                 ` C H Forsyth
                                   ` (2 more replies)
  2003-08-05 13:24               ` andrey mirtchovski
  2003-08-06 18:23               ` [9fans] plan9 on Ati Mobility M/M1, HP Omnibook 6000 FODEMESI Gergely
  3 siblings, 3 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Dan Cross @ 2003-08-05 12:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> Aside: do our international readers know what "Chinese whispers" are?

I have no idea....

	- Dan C.



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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-05 12:53               ` Dan Cross
@ 2003-08-05 13:19                 ` C H Forsyth
  2003-08-05 14:13                 ` northern snowfall
  2003-08-06  2:55                 ` boyd, rounin
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: C H Forsyth @ 2003-08-05 13:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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google knows

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From: Dan Cross <cross@math.psu.edu>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] power pc port
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:53:01 -0400
Message-ID: <200308051253.h75Cr1706206@augusta.math.psu.edu>

> Aside: do our international readers know what "Chinese whispers" are?

I have no idea....

	- Dan C.

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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-05 10:22             ` Richard Miller
  2003-08-05 12:05               ` northern snowfall
  2003-08-05 12:53               ` Dan Cross
@ 2003-08-05 13:24               ` andrey mirtchovski
  2003-08-05 13:56                 ` Dan Cross
                                   ` (2 more replies)
  2003-08-06 18:23               ` [9fans] plan9 on Ati Mobility M/M1, HP Omnibook 6000 FODEMESI Gergely
  3 siblings, 3 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2003-08-05 13:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Richard Miller wrote:

> Aside: do our international readers know what "Chinese whispers" are?
>

on the other side of the iron curtain (where the chinese were at the time
too!) it was known as 'broken telephone'. we used to play it in
kindergarden. then again, we used to sing songs about how bad atomic bombs
are and how the Party is our mother (and the russian Party was the mother in
law, i guess :)

http://www.wordreference.com/english/definition.asp?en=Chinese+whispers

what remains unknown is the connotation -- good or bad?

andrey



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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-05 13:24               ` andrey mirtchovski
@ 2003-08-05 13:56                 ` Dan Cross
  2003-08-05 14:41                   ` Philippe Anel
  2003-08-06  1:03                   ` okamoto
  2003-08-05 14:31                 ` northern snowfall
  2003-08-05 15:25                 ` a
  2 siblings, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Dan Cross @ 2003-08-05 13:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> on the other side of the iron curtain (where the chinese were at the time
> too!) it was known as 'broken telephone'. we used to play it in
> kindergarden. then again, we used to sing songs about how bad atomic bombs
> are and how the Party is our mother (and the russian Party was the mother in
> law, i guess :)
>
> http://www.wordreference.com/english/definition.asp?en=Chinese+whispers

Oh, *that*!  We used to play that when I was a kid, too; I never knew it
had a name.

	- Dan C.



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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-05 12:53               ` Dan Cross
  2003-08-05 13:19                 ` C H Forsyth
@ 2003-08-05 14:13                 ` northern snowfall
  2003-08-05 14:16                   ` northern snowfall
  2003-08-06  2:55                 ` boyd, rounin
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: northern snowfall @ 2003-08-05 14:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

>
>
>I have no idea....
>
Aside international readers to the Chinese whisper?

Don

http://www.7f.no-ip.com/~north_




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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-05 14:13                 ` northern snowfall
@ 2003-08-05 14:16                   ` northern snowfall
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: northern snowfall @ 2003-08-05 14:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> Aside international readers to the Chinese whisper?

Mistyped due to hurry *wink*:
    Aside international readers, do the Chinese whisper?

Don

http://www.7f.no-ip.com/~north_




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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-05 13:24               ` andrey mirtchovski
  2003-08-05 13:56                 ` Dan Cross
@ 2003-08-05 14:31                 ` northern snowfall
  2003-08-05 15:25                 ` a
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: northern snowfall @ 2003-08-05 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

>
>
>what remains unknown is the connotation -- good or bad?
>
Considering Mr. Miller's context, I'd say bad.
....awaiting snappy Boyd comment ;-D

Don

http://www.7f.no-ip.com/~north_




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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-05 13:56                 ` Dan Cross
@ 2003-08-05 14:41                   ` Philippe Anel
  2003-08-06  1:03                   ` okamoto
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Philippe Anel @ 2003-08-05 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

At 09:56 05/08/03 -0400, you wrote:
> > on the other side of the iron curtain (where the chinese were at the time
> > too!) it was known as 'broken telephone'. we used to play it in
> > kindergarden. then again, we used to sing songs about how bad atomic bombs
> > are and how the Party is our mother (and the russian Party was the
> mother in
> > law, i guess :)
> >
> > http://www.wordreference.com/english/definition.asp?en=Chinese+whispers
>
>Oh, *that*!  We used to play that when I was a kid, too; I never knew it
>had a name.

In french : "le telephone arabe" :)

         Philippe



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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-05 13:24               ` andrey mirtchovski
  2003-08-05 13:56                 ` Dan Cross
  2003-08-05 14:31                 ` northern snowfall
@ 2003-08-05 15:25                 ` a
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: a @ 2003-08-05 15:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

in my youth (*ahem* more recent than most here, i'd guess) we simply
called it "telephone". i'd assumed from the name it was the same game,
although the etymology (entemology? the one that isn't about bugs) is
curious. i believe "telephone" is a (the?) widely understood name for
the game in American grade schoolers.
ア


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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-05 13:56                 ` Dan Cross
  2003-08-05 14:41                   ` Philippe Anel
@ 2003-08-06  1:03                   ` okamoto
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: okamoto @ 2003-08-06  1:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> Oh, *that*!  We used to play that when I was a kid, too; I never knew it
> had a name.

Me, too.

Kenji



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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-05 12:53               ` Dan Cross
  2003-08-05 13:19                 ` C H Forsyth
  2003-08-05 14:13                 ` northern snowfall
@ 2003-08-06  2:55                 ` boyd, rounin
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: boyd, rounin @ 2003-08-06  2:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> Aside: do our international readers know what "Chinese whispers" are?

i do



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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-04  9:26           ` Christopher Nielsen
@ 2003-08-06  9:02             ` plan9
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: plan9 @ 2003-08-06  9:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> IANAL, but I would think that implementing a kernel after
> looking at 2ed code would violate the license. Personally,
> I wouldn't risk it.
> 
> Just my $0.02
> 

R2 source code has something I never saw again and which is
so good for understanding : almost perfectly commented.

Now if you mean snarf/paste that may constitute 
a severe infrigment. People not beeing able to
understand such an asset are probably not capable
of resurrecting the SGI port nor any other port ;-)


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* [9fans] plan9 on Ati Mobility M/M1, HP Omnibook 6000
  2003-08-05 10:22             ` Richard Miller
                                 ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2003-08-05 13:24               ` andrey mirtchovski
@ 2003-08-06 18:23               ` FODEMESI Gergely
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: FODEMESI Gergely @ 2003-08-06 18:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

Hi,

 today I tried to boot the latest downloaded disk on an HP Omnibook 6000,
with an Ati Mobility M/M1 graphic chip in a laptop store.
The kernel recognised everything, but after switching from text to
graphics the screen went blank, and I couldn't reboot it with (ctrl ttr).

Does this sound like an easily resolvable problem, or the driver
recognising the chip just won't drive the screen?

Spec:
PIII 850Mhz (SpeedStep?)
256MB RAM
20GB disk
15" SXGA+ TFT

I've browsed through the archives, but I could hardly find any references
to a similar (same?) graphic chip (Compaq Armada).

It'd be rather cheap (about $780)

 thanks: gergo



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* Re: [9fans] power pc port
  2003-08-04 14:42             ` Jack Johnson
@ 2003-08-07 18:06               ` C H Forsyth
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: C H Forsyth @ 2003-08-07 18:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 54 bytes --]

yes, once i manage to copy the essential boot diskette

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From: Jack Johnson <fragment@nas.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] power pc port
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 07:42:11 -0700
Message-ID: <3F2E70C3.4030804@nas.com>

Charles Forsyth wrote:
> i used a variant on the bebox for that reason.

Sorry to be a pest, but any chance of the bebox port seeing the light of
day?  Dead hardware line, dead OS line, it would be nice to keep it
chugging along.

-Jack

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* Re: [9fans] plan9 on Ati Mobility M/M1, HP Omnibook 6000
@ 2003-08-07  7:51 FODEMESI Gergely
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: FODEMESI Gergely @ 2003-08-07  7:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

(sorry for the double send, jim)

thanks!

pci.txt:
0.0.0:	06.00.00 8086/7190   0
0.1.0:	06.04.00 8086/7191   0
0.10.0:	06.07.00 104c/ac51  10
0.10.1:	06.07.00 104c/ac51  10
0.11.0:	02.00.00 10b7/6055  10 0:00001801 128 1:f4002400 128 2:f4002000
128
0.11.1:	07.80.00 10b7/1007  10 0:00001001 256 1:f4002c00 256 2:f4002800
128
0.13.0:	04.01.00 125d/1998   5 0:00001401 256 1:f4000000 8192
0.7.0:	06.80.00 8086/7110   0
0.7.1:	01.01.80 8086/7111   0 4:000018a1 16
0.7.2:	0c.03.00 8086/7112  10 4:00001881 32
0.7.3:	06.80.00 8086/7113   0
1.0.0:	03.00.00 1002/4c4d  10 0:f5000000 16777216 1:00009001 256
2:f4100000 4096

vgainfo.txt:
main->snarf
vga->snarf
mach64xx->snarf
vga->attr: vid=0x1002
vga->attr: did=0x4C4D
vga->attr: 0xC0000-0xC0200=MACH64LM
vga->dump
vga misc             67
vga feature          00
vga sequencer        03 00 03 00 02
vga crt              6F 4F 4F 93 55 83 9E 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 07 30
                     8F 82 8F 28 1F 8F 9F A3 - FF
vga graphics         00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF
vga attribute        00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F
                     0C 00 0F 08 00
vga virtual         0 0
vga panning         off
vga vm a b           16777216        0
vga vmz               8388608
vga apz               8388608
vga linear                  1
mach64xx->dump
mach64xx pci 4b528 io 9000 pciregs
mach64xx ccru 300
mach64xx HTotalDisp          004F006F
mach64xx HSyncStrtWid        00030055
mach64xx VTotalDisp          018F019E
mach64xx VSyncStrtWid        0002018F
mach64xx VlineCrntVline      00E303FF
mach64xx OffPitch            0A000000
mach64xx IntCntl             88000134
mach64xx CrtcGenCntl         02402200
mach64xx OvrClr              6B991F00
mach64xx OvrWidLR            00000000
mach64xx OvrWidTB            00000000
mach64xx CurClr0             47295315
mach64xx CurClr1             D28AD72E
mach64xx CurOffset           00000000
mach64xx CurHVposn           00000000
mach64xx CurHVoff            00000000
mach64xx ScratchReg0         04100400
mach64xx ScratchReg1         00000000
mach64xx ClockCntl           00AC0000
mach64xx BusCntl             7333A001
mach64xx MemCntl             10C57A3B
mach64xx ExtMemCntl          E0000C81
mach64xx MemVgaWpSel         00010000
mach64xx MemVgaRpSel         00010000
mach64xx DacRegs             00FF0240
mach64xx DacCntl             8601200A
mach64xx GenTestCntl         00000000
mach64xx ConfigCntl          00003D42
mach64xx ConfigChipId        64004C4D
mach64xx ConfigStat0         00C00094
mach64xx ConfigStat1         00000000
mach64xx ConfigStat2         00000000
mach64xx DspConfig           00570511
mach64xx DspOnOff            03CE04E8
mach64xx DpBkgdClr           FFFFFFFF
mach64xx DpChainMsk          FFFFFFFF
mach64xx DpFrgdClr           FFFFFFFF
mach64xx DpMix               FFFFFFFF
mach64xx DpPixWidth          FFFFFFFF
mach64xx DpSrc               FFFFFFFF
mach64xx DpWriteMsk          FFFFFFFF
mach64xx LcdIndex            00000401
mach64xx LcdData             407524DE
mach64xx PLL         AC AC 40 4C 87 03 D5 EA - EA EA 00 89 80 1B 00 00
                     0E C7 40 00 50 F6 AC 03 - 40 00 24 FD 00 00 00 02
mach64xx LCD ConfigPanel     000302F4
mach64xx LCD GenCntl         407524DE
mach64xx LCD DstnCntl        00000000
mach64xx LCD HfbPitchAddr    00000F00
mach64xx LCD HorzStretch     EAE0074E
mach64xx LCD VertStretch     80000000
mach64xx LCD ExtVertStretch  0060CE00
mach64xx LCD LtGio           00006000
mach64xx LCD PowerMngmnt     0200040B
mach64xx LCD ZvgPio          0A000000
mach64xx VCLK0	52350846
mach64xx VCLK1	52350846
mach64xx VCLK2	52350846
mach64xx VCLK3	0

rom table offset 10E
freq table offset A1A
memclk 125000000
ref_freq 29500000
ref_divider 64
min_freq 9840000
max_freq 236000000
pd 1 value 0 (|1)
post = 2
mach64xx pixel clock = 215710000
ATI BIOS rom 0x10e freq 0x0 clock 0xa1a
clocks: 43605 60268 24955 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 356 0 0 16969
programmable clock: 4
clock to program: 3
reference numerator: 29500
reference denominator: 1
internal clock
reference divider in plls
can't find lcd bios table0

vmf 25175000 vmdf 0 vf1 0 vbw 75000000
vga->init
mach64xx->init
rom table offset 10E
freq table offset A1A
memclk 12500
memclk 12500... x 86.912977...t 86... xprec 7...fifosz 2781.215254...fprec
12...prec 7...afifosz 32...fifooff 2695.000000...pfc 7...rcc 9...fifoon
120.000000...
dbdumpmode
type=multisync75, size=640x480x8
frequency=25175000
x=640 (0x280), y=480 (0x1E0), z=8 (0x8)
ht=800 (0x320), shb=664 (0x298), ehb=760 (0x2F8)
shs=664 (0x298), ehs=760 (0x2F8)
vt=525 (0x20D), vrs=491 (0x1EB), vre=493 (0x1ED)
hsync=0, vsync=0, interlace=0
vga->attr: vid=0x1002
vga->attr: did=0x4C4D
vga->attr: 0xC0000-0xC0200=MACH64LM
vga->dump
vga flag             Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf
vga misc             E3
vga feature          00
vga sequencer        03 01 0F 00 0A
vga crt              5F 4F 52 9F 53 1F20B 3E - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00
                    1EB 2D1DF 50 601EB1EC A3 -7FF
vga graphics         00 00 00 00 00 50 05 0F - FF
vga attribute        00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F
                     41 FF 0F 00 00
vga virtual         640 480
vga panning         off
vga clock[0] f       52350846
vga clock[0] d i m          0        0       -       64
vga clock[0] n p q r      234        2       -        0        0
vga vm a b           16777216        0
vga vmz               8388608
vga apz               8388608
vga linear                  1
mach64xx->dump
mach64xx flag        Ulinear|Uenhanced|Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf
mach64xx pci 4b528 io 9000 pciregs
mach64xx ccru 300
mach64xx HTotalDisp          004F0063
mach64xx HSyncStrtWid        000C0052
mach64xx VTotalDisp          01DF020C
mach64xx VSyncStrtWid        000201EA
mach64xx VlineCrntVline      00E303FF
mach64xx OffPitch            14000000
mach64xx IntCntl             00000000
mach64xx CrtcGenCntl         03002200
mach64xx OvrClr              00000000
mach64xx OvrWidLR            00000000
mach64xx OvrWidTB            00000000
mach64xx CurClr0             47295315
mach64xx CurClr1             D28AD72E
mach64xx CurOffset           00000000
mach64xx CurHVposn           00000000
mach64xx CurHVoff            00000000
mach64xx ScratchReg0         04100400
mach64xx ScratchReg1         00000000
mach64xx ClockCntl           00000002
mach64xx BusCntl             7333A001
mach64xx MemCntl             10C57A3B
mach64xx ExtMemCntl          E0000C81
mach64xx MemVgaWpSel         00010000
mach64xx MemVgaRpSel         00010000
mach64xx DacRegs             00FF0240
mach64xx DacCntl             8601200A
mach64xx GenTestCntl         00000000
mach64xx ConfigCntl          00000000
mach64xx ConfigChipId        64004C4D
mach64xx ConfigStat0         00C00094
mach64xx ConfigStat1         00000000
mach64xx ConfigStat2         00000000
mach64xx DspConfig           007A056E
mach64xx DspOnOff            00000000
mach64xx DpBkgdClr           FFFFFFFF
mach64xx DpChainMsk          FFFFFFFF
mach64xx DpFrgdClr           FFFFFFFF
mach64xx DpMix               FFFFFFFF
mach64xx DpPixWidth          00020202
mach64xx DpSrc               FFFFFFFF
mach64xx DpWriteMsk          FFFFFFFF
mach64xx LcdIndex            00000401
mach64xx LcdData             407524DE
mach64xx PLL         AC AC 40 4C 87 03 D5 EA - EA EA 00 89 80 1B 00 00
                     0E C7 40 00 50 F6 AC 03 - 40 00 24 FD 00 00 00 02
mach64xx LCD ConfigPanel     000342F4
mach64xx LCD GenCntl         407520DA
mach64xx LCD DstnCntl        00000000
mach64xx LCD HfbPitchAddr    00000F00
mach64xx LCD HorzStretch     EAE00750
mach64xx LCD VertStretch     C00001D4
mach64xx LCD ExtVertStretch  0020CA00
mach64xx LCD LtGio           00006000
mach64xx LCD PowerMngmnt     0200040B
mach64xx LCD ZvgPio          0A000000
mach64xx VCLK0	52350846
mach64xx VCLK1	52350846
mach64xx VCLK2	52350846
mach64xx VCLK3	0

rom table offset 10E
freq table offset A1A
memclk 125000000
ref_freq 29500000
ref_divider 64
min_freq 9840000
max_freq 236000000
pd 1 value 0 (|1)
post = 2
mach64xx pixel clock = 215710000

main->exits


On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote:

> is there a pciout.txt file on the floppy?
> if we had the pci device id then maybe we could tell
> you if there's any hope.
>
> --jim
>


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2003-08-05 14:41                   ` Philippe Anel
2003-08-06  1:03                   ` okamoto
2003-08-05 14:31                 ` northern snowfall
2003-08-05 15:25                 ` a
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2003-08-01 18:04       ` Christopher Nielsen
2003-08-04  8:59         ` plan9
2003-08-04  9:26           ` Christopher Nielsen
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2003-08-04 14:19             ` ron minnich
2003-08-04 14:44               ` David Presotto
2003-08-04 14:50                 ` Jack Johnson
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2003-08-07 18:06               ` C H Forsyth
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