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From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" <DAGwyn@null.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Threads: Sewing badges of honor onto a Kernel
Date: Mon,  1 Mar 2004 10:35:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <S7OdnWrnEdYbJd3dRVn-hQ@comcast.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <00c801c3fdff$414b7d60$26fea8c0@SOMA>

boyd, rounin wrote:
> get real, we're no longer using 1 MIP VAXes, where TLB flushes
> etc were a real problem.  128 users on an 11/780, anyone?

There are a large number of platforms where there are
important constraints imposed by the MMU architecture.
Consider what it means when an OS requires such resources
that it cannot feasibly be implemented on a VAX, yet does
almost nothing more than could have readily been done
(with a different design) on a VAX.  It's nearly as bad
as a 1GHz machine getting so bogged down with GUI code
and poor interface design that some common tasks take
longer to accomplish than on a 1MHz PDP-11 running Unix.
(Whose "Law" was it that said that file storage always
expands to fill whatever disk resources are available?
The same thing seems to apply to CPU cycles.)


  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-01 10:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 191+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-27  4:45 dbailey27
2004-02-27  5:05 ` Scott Schwartz
2004-02-27  5:06 ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-02-27  5:05   ` dbailey27
2004-02-27  5:26     ` Rob Pike
2004-02-27  5:37       ` dbailey27
2004-02-27  5:47         ` ron minnich
2004-02-27  7:43           ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-27  5:54         ` Rob Pike
2004-02-27  6:01           ` dbailey27
2004-02-29 21:14             ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-01  4:40               ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-02-27  5:06   ` dbailey27
2004-02-27  5:28 ` Rob Pike
2004-02-27  6:19   ` Scott Schwartz
2004-02-28  9:38   ` Bruce Ellis
2004-02-28 10:10     ` Charles Forsyth
2004-02-28 10:28       ` Bruce Ellis
2004-02-28 10:11     ` [9fans] limbo? David Tolpin
2004-02-28 10:22       ` Geoff Collyer
2004-02-28 19:27       ` Charles Forsyth
2004-02-28 21:16       ` Russ Cox
2004-02-28 13:28     ` [9fans] Threads: Sewing badges of honor onto a Kernel boyd, rounin
2004-02-29 20:59     ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-27  5:43 ` ron minnich
2004-02-27  5:50   ` George Michaelson
2004-02-27  5:59     ` ron minnich
2004-02-27  6:07       ` George Michaelson
2004-02-27  7:47       ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-27  6:20 ` [9fans] " Linus Torvalds
2004-02-27  6:31   ` dbailey27
2004-02-27  6:49     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-27  6:48       ` dbailey27
2004-02-27  7:04         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-27  7:06           ` dbailey27
2004-02-27  7:30             ` a
2004-02-27  7:49               ` dbailey27
2004-02-27  7:39             ` Lucio De Re
2004-02-27  7:57               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-27  8:00                 ` Rob Pike
2004-02-27  8:05                 ` Lucio De Re
2004-02-27  8:06                 ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-27  7:47             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-27  7:46               ` dbailey27
2004-02-27  8:08                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-27  8:04                   ` dbailey27
2004-02-27  8:19                     ` Geoff Collyer
2004-02-27 15:28                       ` Rob Pike
2004-02-27 16:57                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-27  8:11                   ` Lucio De Re
2004-02-27  8:17                     ` Rob Pike
2004-02-27  8:31                       ` Lucio De Re
2004-02-27  9:46                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-27  8:44                           ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-27 10:00                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-27  9:52                           ` Lucio De Re
2004-02-27 10:00                             ` Charles Forsyth
2004-02-27 10:07                               ` Lucio De Re
2004-02-27 10:14                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2004-02-27 10:24                                   ` Lucio De Re
2004-02-27 11:40                                     ` C H Forsyth
2004-02-28  9:58                               ` Bruce Ellis
2004-02-27 10:11                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-27 10:13                               ` Lucio De Re
2004-02-27 10:36                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-27 19:07                   ` Donald Brownlee
2004-02-27  7:47               ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-02-27  8:04               ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-29 21:17             ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-27  7:12           ` Rob Pike
2004-02-27  7:17             ` Charles Forsyth
2004-02-27  8:01               ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-27  8:06             ` Scott Schwartz
2004-02-27  8:15               ` Rob Pike
2004-02-27  7:06         ` Lucio De Re
2004-02-27  7:53         ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-27 12:23       ` Dave Lukes
2004-02-27 16:08         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-27 16:39           ` Dave Lukes
2004-02-27 17:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-27 17:03               ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-02-27 17:50               ` Dave Lukes
2004-02-27 18:26                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-27 18:27                   ` matt
2004-02-27 18:39                     ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-02-27 23:39                   ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-01  8:44                     ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-03-01  8:48                       ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-03-01  8:59                         ` Lucio De Re
2004-03-01  9:04                           ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-03-01  9:16                             ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-03-01  9:19                               ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-03-01 15:47                           ` ron minnich
2004-03-01 16:23                             ` lucio
2004-03-01 18:04                               ` viro
2004-03-02  9:37                               ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2004-03-02 10:16                                 ` lucio
2004-03-03  1:36                             ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-03-02  1:40                       ` rob pike, esq.
2004-02-27 23:20               ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-01 10:34               ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-03-01 14:40                 ` Russ Cox
2004-03-01 15:17                   ` boyd
2004-03-02  9:42                   ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-03-02  9:53                     ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-03-02 14:51                     ` ron minnich
2004-03-03  9:33                       ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-03-03 12:59                         ` ron minnich
2004-03-03 13:10                           ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-03-03 13:21                             ` ron minnich
2004-03-04 10:00                               ` Yi Li
2004-03-04 11:22                                 ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-03-05 15:17                                   ` Yi Li
2004-03-03 13:38                             ` rog
2004-03-03 17:57                             ` a
2004-03-01 15:56                 ` ron minnich
2004-03-02  9:42                   ` Bengt Kleberg
2004-02-27 17:32             ` C H Forsyth
2004-02-29 21:10               ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-01  8:19                 ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-01  8:46                   ` dbailey27
2004-03-01  9:34                     ` David Tolpin
2004-03-01 10:02                       ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-01 10:12                         ` David Tolpin
2004-03-01 10:40                       ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-01 11:56                         ` David Tolpin
2004-03-01 17:29                           ` rog
2004-03-02  6:38                         ` 9nut
2004-03-01 19:02                       ` Taj Khattra
2004-03-01 19:15                         ` David Tolpin
2004-03-01 19:22                           ` Joel Salomon
2004-03-01 19:43                             ` David Tolpin
2004-03-01 21:07                               ` Derek Fawcus
2004-03-01 21:12                                 ` David Tolpin
2004-03-02  2:46                                   ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-02  6:02                                     ` David Tolpin
2004-03-02 12:31                                       ` Bruce Ellis
2004-03-02 18:46                                         ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-02 12:19                                   ` Dick Davies
2004-03-02 18:40                                     ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-04  3:52                                     ` Martin C.Atkins
2004-03-04  9:07                                       ` Bruce Ellis
2004-03-01 21:15                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2004-03-01 21:20                                 ` rog
2004-03-02  2:48                                   ` Joel Salomon
2004-03-03  3:58                           ` Martin C.Atkins
2004-03-01  9:36                   ` Geoff Collyer
2004-03-01 12:06                     ` boyd
2004-03-01 14:55                       ` David Presotto
2004-03-01 12:18                   ` boyd
2004-03-01 13:29                     ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-03-01 13:33                       ` lucio
2004-03-01 13:55                       ` boyd
2004-03-02  4:13                   ` Taj Khattra
2004-03-02  4:34                     ` Roman Shaposhnick
2004-03-02  4:47                       ` ron minnich
2004-03-02  5:53                         ` Roman Shaposhnick
2004-03-02  5:58                           ` ron minnich
2004-03-02 15:49                         ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-02  7:00                     ` rob pike, esq.
2004-03-02 20:58                       ` Andrew Simmons
2004-03-02 21:23                         ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-03  7:05                           ` Anastasopoulos S
2004-03-03  5:11                         ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-03-03  5:26                           ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-03  9:49                             ` Bruce Ellis
2004-03-03 12:41                               ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-03  9:42                           ` Bruce Ellis
2004-03-03  7:55                         ` 9nut
2004-02-27  6:59   ` Donald Brownlee
2004-02-27  7:49   ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-27 10:11 ` [9fans] " Douglas A. Gwyn
2004-02-28  5:20   ` Martin C.Atkins
2004-02-28  9:44     ` Nigel Roles
2004-02-28 11:08       ` viro
2004-02-28 13:40         ` Nigel Roles
2004-02-28 13:36           ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-28 14:14           ` viro
2004-02-28 18:16             ` Nigel Roles
2004-02-28 18:53               ` viro
2004-02-28 19:44                 ` Charles Forsyth
2004-02-28 20:13                   ` Rob Pike
2004-03-01 11:50                   ` viro
2004-03-01 11:49                     ` dbailey27
2004-02-28 13:32       ` boyd, rounin
2004-03-01 10:35         ` Douglas A. Gwyn [this message]
2004-03-01 11:01           ` Geoff Collyer
2004-03-01 19:13           ` Joel Salomon
2004-03-01 10:35       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2004-02-28 13:41     ` David Presotto
2004-03-02 21:59 Keith Nash

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