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From: "Rogelio Serrano" <rogelio.serrano@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] speaking of kenc
Date: Sun,  6 May 2007 16:35:24 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a9951d2a0705060135r3233f82ep6472fd30b738dbf6@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9a6eab03338d16bb29107e4e6c1df873@proxima.alt.za>

On 5/6/07, lucio@proxima.alt.za <lucio@proxima.alt.za> wrote:
> > im talking from the kernel writer point of view. and im most familiar
> > with the x86. c assumes there is a system already running. and most
> > probably that system is brought up using assembly coded initialization
> > code.
>
> No one said that assembler is obsolete, only deprecated.  Like many
> "we have always done it this way" paradigms, it dies hard and it is
> difficult to persuade "aficionados" that they would be better off
> programming at a higher level and reserve their skills for those rare
> occasions where they are ahead of the compilers or, as you rightly
> point out, where there are no alternatives, such as in setting up the
> stack or posting a kernel trap.
>

i see.

i understand now that this thread is about putting asm in the system
library or not.

of course not. its a bitch to optimize.

compiler technology has advanced by leaps and bounds. nowadays
compilers are even made to schedule the machine instructions and do
branch prediction. some massively parallel processors cant even be
optimally hand programmed by assembler anymore.


  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-06  8:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 149+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-27  3:08 erik quanstrom
2007-04-27  3:44 ` David Leimbach
2007-04-27  4:56   ` Bruce Ellis
2007-04-27  6:21     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-04-27  4:54 ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-04-27  4:58   ` Bruce Ellis
2007-04-27 11:00   ` Charles Forsyth
2007-04-27 13:49     ` David Leimbach
2007-04-27 16:23       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-04-29  2:02         ` erik quanstrom
2007-04-29  2:55           ` Tim Wiess
2007-04-29  6:42             ` Uriel
2007-04-29 20:47           ` Charles Forsyth
2007-04-30  8:29           ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-04-30 13:08             ` Uriel
2007-05-01  0:22             ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-01 14:45               ` Jon Snader
2007-05-01 14:56                 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2007-05-01 15:12                   ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-01 15:29                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2007-05-01 21:32                   ` Jon Snader
2007-05-02  0:04                   ` Derek Fawcus
2007-05-02  8:44                     ` Charles Forsyth
2007-05-01 15:51                 ` Anthony Sorace
2007-05-02  8:32                   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-05-02  9:00                     ` Steve Simon
2007-05-03  1:32                       ` David Arnold
2007-05-03  3:39                         ` Adrian Tritschler
2007-05-03  3:57                           ` Paul Lalonde
2007-05-03  4:11                             ` Federico Benavento
2007-05-03 13:34                               ` Anthony Sorace
2007-05-03 22:04                               ` LiteStar numnums
2007-05-04  1:45                               ` Roman Shaposhnick
2007-05-04  1:51                                 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2007-05-04  2:00                                 ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-04  2:08                                   ` Roman Shaposhnick
2007-05-04  2:12                                     ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2007-05-04  2:20                                       ` Roman Shaposhnick
2007-05-04  2:35                                         ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2007-05-04  6:53                                           ` Bruce Ellis
2007-05-05  4:49                                             ` Roman Shaposhnick
2007-05-05  5:11                                           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2007-05-05  5:14                                             ` Bruce Ellis
2007-05-05 18:52                                               ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-05 19:13                                                 ` lucio
2007-05-05 23:09                                                   ` Bruce Ellis
2007-05-06  1:24                                                     ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  4:08                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-06  4:53                                                     ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  5:01                                                     ` lucio
2007-05-06  5:01                                                     ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  5:07                                                       ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  5:15                                                         ` lucio
2007-05-06  5:37                                                           ` Bruce Ellis
2007-05-06  6:30                                                           ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  6:46                                                             ` lucio
2007-05-06  6:49                                                             ` lucio
2007-05-06  7:35                                                               ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  6:51                                                             ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06 10:25                                                               ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  6:04                                                         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-05-06  7:24                                                           ` lucio
2007-05-06 11:47                                                             ` Bruce Ellis
2007-05-07  1:55                                                           ` Roman Shaposhnik
2007-05-06  5:12                                                       ` lucio
2007-05-06 13:18                                                         ` Richard Miller
2007-05-06 20:23                                                           ` Roman Shaposhnik
2007-05-07  1:57                                                         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2007-05-07  4:29                                                           ` W B Hacker
2007-05-07 15:08                                                             ` Tim Wiess
2007-05-06  5:15                                                       ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  7:43                                                         ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  8:02                                                           ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  8:12                                                             ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  9:00                                                               ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  8:03                                                           ` lucio
2007-05-06  8:42                                                             ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06 10:20                                                               ` matt
2007-05-06 10:29                                                                 ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  9:09                                                             ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  5:10                                                     ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  5:32                                                       ` lucio
2007-05-06  6:18                                                         ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  6:30                                                           ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  6:21                                                         ` W B Hacker
2007-05-07  1:47                                                     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2007-05-06  1:13                                               ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  3:31                                                 ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  4:10                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-06  4:55                                                   ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  5:10                                                     ` lucio
2007-05-06  6:05                                                       ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  8:45                                                         ` matt
2007-05-06  6:45                                                       ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  6:52                                                         ` lucio
2007-05-06  7:09                                                           ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  7:34                                                             ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  7:49                                                               ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  7:54                                                               ` lucio
2007-05-06  8:35                                                                 ` Rogelio Serrano [this message]
2007-05-06  7:40                                                             ` lucio
2007-05-06  8:59                                                               ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  7:03                                                         ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  5:21                                                 ` Bruce Ellis
2007-05-06  7:01                                                   ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-05  5:30                                             ` lucio
2007-05-04  2:16                                     ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-04  9:24                                       ` C H Forsyth
2007-05-04 11:18                                         ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-04 16:19                                         ` Paul Lalonde
2007-05-04 21:58                                           ` Dave Eckhardt
2007-05-04 22:27                                             ` Paul Lalonde
2007-05-04  8:46                                 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-05-05  4:47                                   ` Roman Shaposhnick
2007-05-02  8:33                 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-05-02 11:25                   ` Jon Snader
2007-05-02  8:33               ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-05-02 11:30                 ` erik quanstrom
2007-04-27 16:21     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-04-27 11:12   ` Charles Forsyth
2007-04-27 11:46   ` erik quanstrom
2007-04-27 14:21     ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-04-27 14:26       ` erik quanstrom
2007-04-27 14:41         ` Rob Pike
2007-04-27 14:55         ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-04-27 15:24           ` erik quanstrom
2007-04-27 15:53           ` C H Forsyth
2007-04-28  9:09   ` ron minnich
2007-04-28  9:17     ` Lucio De Re
2007-04-28 13:48       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-04-28 13:57         ` Lucio De Re
2007-04-28 14:15         ` LiteStar numnums
2007-04-28 21:21         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2007-04-28 21:54           ` ron minnich
2007-04-28 22:33             ` Steve Simon
2007-04-28 15:45     ` Charles Forsyth
2007-04-28 17:58       ` Rodrigo Miranda
2007-04-28 20:12         ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-04-28 21:10           ` Roman Shaposhnik
2007-04-28 18:15       ` Lluís Batlle i Rossell
2007-04-29  2:39       ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-04-29 12:41         ` erik quanstrom
2007-04-29 16:00           ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-04-28 21:24     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2007-05-06 12:36 erik quanstrom
2007-05-06 15:18 ` lucio
2007-05-06 16:23   ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06 17:53     ` Benn Newman
2007-05-06 17:56       ` Francisco J Ballesteros

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