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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] Changelogs & Patches?
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:53:04 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aabc8516fc4435811a4a80d13f9a2cad@quanstro.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1232950866.22808.98.camel@goose.sun.com>

> It depends on the vdev configuration. You can do simple mirroring
> or you can do RAID-Z (which is more or less RAID-5 done properly).

"raid5 done properly"?  could you back up this claim?

also, with services like ec2, it's no use doing raid since all
your data could be on the same drive, regardless what the tell
you.

> > does this depend on the amount of i/o one does on the data or does
> > zfs scrub at a minimum rate anyway.  if it does, that would be expensive.
>
> You can do resilvering (fixing the data that is known to be
> bad) or scrubbing (verifying and fixing *all* the data). You
> also can configure things so that bad blocks either trigger
> or don't automatic resilvering. Does this answer your question?

no.  not at all.  if you're serious about using ec2, one of the
costs you need to control is your b/w usage.  you're going to
notice overly-aggressive scrubbing in your mothly bill.

> > maybe ec2 is heads amazon wins, tails you loose?
>
> The scariest takeaway from the conference was: with the economy
> the way it is physical on-site datacenters are becoming a
> luxury for all but the most wealthy companies. Thus whether
> we like it or not virtual data centers are here to stay.

if the numbers i came up with for coraid are correct, it would would cost
coraid about 50x more to use ec2.  that is, if we can run plan 9
at all.

- erik



  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-26 13:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-22 15:27 Venkatesh Srinivas
2008-12-22 15:29 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-22 16:41 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-12-25  6:34   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-25  6:40     ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-26  4:28       ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-26  4:45         ` lucio
2008-12-26  4:57         ` Anthony Sorace
2008-12-26  6:19           ` blstuart
2008-12-27  8:00           ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-27 11:56             ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-30  0:31               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-30  0:57                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-05  5:19                   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-05  5:28                     ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-22 17:03 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2008-12-23  4:31   ` Uriel
2008-12-23  4:46 ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-12-25  6:50   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-25 14:37     ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-26 13:27       ` Charles Forsyth
2008-12-26 13:33         ` Charles Forsyth
2008-12-26 14:27         ` tlaronde
2008-12-26 17:25           ` blstuart
2008-12-26 18:14             ` tlaronde
2008-12-26 18:20               ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-26 18:52                 ` tlaronde
2008-12-26 21:44                   ` blstuart
2008-12-26 22:04                     ` Eris Discordia
2008-12-26 22:30                       ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-26 23:00                         ` blstuart
2008-12-27  6:04                         ` Eris Discordia
2008-12-27 10:36                           ` tlaronde
2008-12-27 16:27                             ` Eris Discordia
2008-12-29 23:54         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-30  0:13           ` hiro
2008-12-30  1:07           ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-30  1:48           ` Charles Forsyth
2008-12-30 13:18             ` Uriel
2008-12-30 15:06               ` C H Forsyth
2008-12-30 17:31                 ` Uriel
2008-12-31  1:58                   ` Noah Evans
2009-01-03 22:03           ` sqweek
2009-01-05  5:05             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-05  5:12               ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-06  5:06                 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-06 13:55                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-05  5:24               ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-01-06  5:49                 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-06 14:22                   ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-01-06 16:19                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-06 23:23                       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-06 23:44                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-08  0:36                           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-08  1:11                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-20  6:20                               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-20 14:19                                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-20 22:30                                   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-20 23:36                                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-21  1:43                                       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-21  2:02                                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-26  6:28                                           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 13:42                                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-26 16:15                                               ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 16:39                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-27  4:45                                                   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-21 19:02                                         ` Uriel
2009-01-21 19:53                                           ` Steve Simon
2009-01-24  3:15                                             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-24  3:36                                               ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-26  6:21                                                 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 13:53                                                   ` erik quanstrom [this message]
2009-01-26 16:21                                                     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 17:37                                                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-27  4:51                                                         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-27  5:44                                                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-21 20:01                                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-24  3:19                                           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-24  3:25                                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-20  6:48                     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-20 14:13                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-20 16:19                         ` Steve Simon
2009-01-20 23:52                       ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-01-21  4:49                         ` Dave Eckhardt
2009-01-21  6:38                         ` Steve Simon
2009-01-21 14:02                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-26  6:16                         ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 16:22                           ` Russ Cox
2009-01-26 19:42                             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 20:11                               ` Steve Simon
2008-12-27  7:40       ` Roman Shaposhnik

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