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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] Changelogs & Patches?
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:37:58 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ca6d012f4c5a6325043680695295df10@quanstro.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1232986860.22808.145.camel@goose.sun.com>

> Yes. See here for details:
>    http://blogs.sun.com/bonwick/entry/raid_z

since these arguments rely heavily on the meme that
	software raid == bad
i have a hard time signing on.  i believe i'm repeating
myself by saying that afik, there is no such thing as pure
hardware raid; that is, there is no hardware that does
all of what raid level n does in hardware.  even if it's
an embedded processor, it's all software raid.  perhaps
there's an xor engine to speed things along.

the other part of the argument — the "write hole"
depends on two things that i don't think are universal
a) zfs' demand for transactional storage b) a particular
raid implentation.

fancy raid cards often have battery-backed ram and thus
from the pov of the host, writes are atomic.  i don't have
any nda that let me see the firmware for a variety of raid
devices, but i find it hard to believe that all raid vendors
rewrite the entire stripe whever the write is smaller than
the stripe size and all could rewrite the data before the
parity.

> You may think what you want, but obviously quite a few existing small to
> mid-size companies disagree. Including a couple of labs with MPI apps
> now running on EC2.

more people use windows than use plan 9.  should
i therefore conclude that my use of plan 9 is illogical?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_the_majority

why do you think that mpi has anything to do with
a plan 9 infastructure?

> May be your numbers are wrong, may be your usage
> patterns are different. Who knows.

a single cpu on ec2 costs $150/month.  my 6 personal
machines don't suck down that much juice.

the machines i have largely cost less than $500.  so
that's like $14/month.  that doesn't change the equation
much.

- erik




  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-26 17:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-22 15:27 Venkatesh Srinivas
2008-12-22 15:29 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-22 16:41 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-12-25  6:34   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-25  6:40     ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-26  4:28       ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-26  4:45         ` lucio
2008-12-26  4:57         ` Anthony Sorace
2008-12-26  6:19           ` blstuart
2008-12-27  8:00           ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-27 11:56             ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-30  0:31               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-30  0:57                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-05  5:19                   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-05  5:28                     ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-22 17:03 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2008-12-23  4:31   ` Uriel
2008-12-23  4:46 ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-12-25  6:50   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-25 14:37     ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-26 13:27       ` Charles Forsyth
2008-12-26 13:33         ` Charles Forsyth
2008-12-26 14:27         ` tlaronde
2008-12-26 17:25           ` blstuart
2008-12-26 18:14             ` tlaronde
2008-12-26 18:20               ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-26 18:52                 ` tlaronde
2008-12-26 21:44                   ` blstuart
2008-12-26 22:04                     ` Eris Discordia
2008-12-26 22:30                       ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-26 23:00                         ` blstuart
2008-12-27  6:04                         ` Eris Discordia
2008-12-27 10:36                           ` tlaronde
2008-12-27 16:27                             ` Eris Discordia
2008-12-29 23:54         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-30  0:13           ` hiro
2008-12-30  1:07           ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-30  1:48           ` Charles Forsyth
2008-12-30 13:18             ` Uriel
2008-12-30 15:06               ` C H Forsyth
2008-12-30 17:31                 ` Uriel
2008-12-31  1:58                   ` Noah Evans
2009-01-03 22:03           ` sqweek
2009-01-05  5:05             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-05  5:12               ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-06  5:06                 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-06 13:55                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-05  5:24               ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-01-06  5:49                 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-06 14:22                   ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-01-06 16:19                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-06 23:23                       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-06 23:44                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-08  0:36                           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-08  1:11                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-20  6:20                               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-20 14:19                                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-20 22:30                                   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-20 23:36                                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-21  1:43                                       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-21  2:02                                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-26  6:28                                           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 13:42                                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-26 16:15                                               ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 16:39                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-27  4:45                                                   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-21 19:02                                         ` Uriel
2009-01-21 19:53                                           ` Steve Simon
2009-01-24  3:15                                             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-24  3:36                                               ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-26  6:21                                                 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 13:53                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-26 16:21                                                     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 17:37                                                       ` erik quanstrom [this message]
2009-01-27  4:51                                                         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-27  5:44                                                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-21 20:01                                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-24  3:19                                           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-24  3:25                                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-20  6:48                     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-20 14:13                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-20 16:19                         ` Steve Simon
2009-01-20 23:52                       ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-01-21  4:49                         ` Dave Eckhardt
2009-01-21  6:38                         ` Steve Simon
2009-01-21 14:02                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-26  6:16                         ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 16:22                           ` Russ Cox
2009-01-26 19:42                             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-26 20:11                               ` Steve Simon
2008-12-27  7:40       ` Roman Shaposhnik

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