* [9fans] Re: we need help... @ 2003-10-20 16:15 steve-simon 2003-10-20 20:27 ` a 2003-10-27 17:26 ` David Presotto 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: steve-simon @ 2003-10-20 16:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Some thoughts: Re: Effective X11 implementation. Would an implementation of gtk be enough? This would give us mozilla/firebird and many other similar apps. Re: configure I had a quick go at getting configure to go, hacking the scripts a little. It looked quite promising though perhaps my example was easy (GNU indent). An alternative approach might be to use configure's config files (sic) to generate mkfiles directly. Just my £0.02 worth -Steve ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: we need help... 2003-10-20 16:15 [9fans] Re: we need help steve-simon @ 2003-10-20 20:27 ` a 2003-10-27 17:26 ` David Presotto 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: a @ 2003-10-20 20:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans i also find the idea of porting gtk (rather than X11) to draw somewhat less repulsive and likely more efficient (since, to get most of the apps our X11 port would be for, we'd have to muck with it at some point anyway). it's also the approach being undertaken by various gtk porters (not to plan 9, obviously: Mac OS X and Win32). it doesn't exactly make it easy or pleasant or fast... ア ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: we need help... 2003-10-20 16:15 [9fans] Re: we need help steve-simon 2003-10-20 20:27 ` a @ 2003-10-27 17:26 ` David Presotto 2003-10-28 12:40 ` matt 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: David Presotto @ 2003-10-27 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 57 bytes --] anything that gave me a web browser would be good enough. [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 2116 bytes --] From: steve-simon@ntlworld.nospam.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Re: we need help... Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:15:17 +0100 Message-ID: <d71c9fb1fd1448a9e8df07748924c5c8@yourdomain.dom> Some thoughts: Re: Effective X11 implementation. Would an implementation of gtk be enough? This would give us mozilla/firebird and many other similar apps. Re: configure I had a quick go at getting configure to go, hacking the scripts a little. It looked quite promising though perhaps my example was easy (GNU indent). An alternative approach might be to use configure's config files (sic) to generate mkfiles directly. Just my £0.02 worth -Steve ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: we need help... 2003-10-27 17:26 ` David Presotto @ 2003-10-28 12:40 ` matt 2003-10-28 13:59 ` ron minnich 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: matt @ 2003-10-28 12:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > anything that gave me a web browser would be good enough. btw. the tk/grail option is out, grail can render less than mothra ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: we need help... 2003-10-28 12:40 ` matt @ 2003-10-28 13:59 ` ron minnich 2003-10-28 14:10 ` David Presotto ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: ron minnich @ 2003-10-28 13:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 matt@proweb.co.uk wrote: > > anything that gave me a web browser would be good enough. > > btw. the tk/grail option is out, grail can render less than mothra what was the reason for not just getting mothra up to speed? ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: we need help... 2003-10-28 13:59 ` ron minnich @ 2003-10-28 14:10 ` David Presotto 2003-10-28 16:15 ` ron minnich 2003-10-28 16:25 ` Charles Forsyth 2003-10-28 16:08 ` C H Forsyth 2003-10-28 16:38 ` matt 2 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: David Presotto @ 2003-10-28 14:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans It was never really very great before and now is hopelessly out of date. Charon would be a better bet. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: we need help... 2003-10-28 14:10 ` David Presotto @ 2003-10-28 16:15 ` ron minnich 2003-10-28 16:25 ` Charles Forsyth 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: ron minnich @ 2003-10-28 16:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, David Presotto wrote: > It was never really very great before and now is hopelessly > out of date. Charon would be a better bet. what are the odds of getting charon then? ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: we need help... 2003-10-28 14:10 ` David Presotto 2003-10-28 16:15 ` ron minnich @ 2003-10-28 16:25 ` Charles Forsyth 2003-10-28 18:58 ` vdharani 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Charles Forsyth @ 2003-10-28 16:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 482 bytes --] roger has been working on charon running in a Plan 9 window (ie, using Plan 9's /dev/draw directly). it seemed to work fine--unsurprisingly, since the models are currently the same--and once we've installed something suitable to replace the hack his script(s) relied on (that i removed yesterday), we'll parcel it up somehow so that anyone can use it. he hasn't come in today so i haven't been able to discuss possible replacements for the hack, but it shouldn't be too long. [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 2015 bytes --] From: David Presotto <presotto@closedmind.org> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: we need help... Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:10:04 -0500 Message-ID: <37c216034e7bb1a9750b8fb87c8ce7c9@plan9.bell-labs.com> It was never really very great before and now is hopelessly out of date. Charon would be a better bet. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: we need help... 2003-10-28 16:25 ` Charles Forsyth @ 2003-10-28 18:58 ` vdharani 2003-10-28 20:43 ` Charles Forsyth 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: vdharani @ 2003-10-28 18:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > roger has been working on charon running in a Plan 9 > window (ie, using Plan 9's /dev/draw directly). > it seemed to work fine--unsurprisingly, since the > models are currently the same--and once we've installed something > suitable to replace the hack his script(s) relied on (that i removed > yesterday), we'll parcel it up somehow so that anyone can use it. > he hasn't come in today so i haven't been able to discuss > possible replacements for the hack, but it shouldn't be too long. i am not able to understand. how is it any different from charon running on inferno? if it is the same, why are we doing it like this? and is it that this will leave us two versions of charon? thanks dharani ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: we need help... 2003-10-28 18:58 ` vdharani @ 2003-10-28 20:43 ` Charles Forsyth 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Charles Forsyth @ 2003-10-28 20:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 96 bytes --] it's the same version of charon, but emu and its applications can disguise themselves better. [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 3340 bytes --] From: <vdharani@infernopark.com> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: we need help... Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:58:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <62856.135.214.42.162.1067367520.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> > roger has been working on charon running in a Plan 9 > window (ie, using Plan 9's /dev/draw directly). > it seemed to work fine--unsurprisingly, since the > models are currently the same--and once we've installed something > suitable to replace the hack his script(s) relied on (that i removed > yesterday), we'll parcel it up somehow so that anyone can use it. > he hasn't come in today so i haven't been able to discuss > possible replacements for the hack, but it shouldn't be too long. i am not able to understand. how is it any different from charon running on inferno? if it is the same, why are we doing it like this? and is it that this will leave us two versions of charon? thanks dharani ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: we need help... 2003-10-28 13:59 ` ron minnich 2003-10-28 14:10 ` David Presotto @ 2003-10-28 16:08 ` C H Forsyth 2003-10-28 16:38 ` matt 2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: C H Forsyth @ 2003-10-28 16:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1035 bytes --] at a technical level, mothra assumed that it could display HTML in (essentially) a single pass, because that was true for HTML of the time. two things happened: - tables were introduced, which demolished that assumption - graphics designers were introduced, which meant that just `displaying' HTML wasn't enough, it must be displayed `properly' which arguably can't be done well in one pass. there's an interaction between the two because some pages are big tables. i did some hackery to keep mothra going for a while, but its data structures weren't really up to the bigger tasks. not it's fault, i hasten to add, it was just that the one pass assumption which was true originally (and i suppose might have remained true in a different history) no longer held so the structures were now inappropriate. somewhat later javascript was introduced, and as that's now fairly common on some sites you might well like to visit, and that's even further away from old mothra. it gets harder and harder after that... [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 2834 bytes --] From: ron minnich <rminnich@lanl.gov> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: we need help... Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:59:37 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310280659230.18111-100000@maxroach.lanl.gov> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 matt@proweb.co.uk wrote: > > anything that gave me a web browser would be good enough. > > btw. the tk/grail option is out, grail can render less than mothra what was the reason for not just getting mothra up to speed? ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: we need help... 2003-10-28 13:59 ` ron minnich 2003-10-28 14:10 ` David Presotto 2003-10-28 16:08 ` C H Forsyth @ 2003-10-28 16:38 ` matt 2003-11-11 17:12 ` [9fans] mothra Richard Miller 2 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: matt @ 2003-10-28 16:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans there's not *that* much wrong with mothra. The aforementioned cookies, and I'd like to be able snarf text too. One thing I've often wanted to put together was a web browser that browsed the HTML but with live links I've not really looked at the mothra source despite being interested in doing so. m ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* [9fans] mothra 2003-10-28 16:38 ` matt @ 2003-11-11 17:12 ` Richard Miller 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Richard Miller @ 2003-11-11 17:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans From the Flogging a Dead Horse department: By popular request (of matt@proweb.co.uk) mothra will now accept and send cookies if /mnt/webcookies is accessible when mothra starts. It will also now listen on plumbing channel "web" for URLs to fetch. I've also fixed a few memory-corruption errors which should make it somewhat more stable. New version is in /contrib/mothra on sources. It still doesn't handle tables, scripts, stylesheets, etc etc etc. -- Richard ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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