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From: lucio@proxima.alt.za
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Building GCC
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:18:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <edcd52cef3764b0c9679c7e69113ac69@proxima.alt.za> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <78917c48cf5f83c2288c0a1745c38339@quanstro.net>

> i realize there are holes around the edges.  i don't see how to
> edit or select a layout, just the text within layouts.  maybe
> select skips non-text bits.
> 
> what's so wrong about this idea?

Nothing, you need to think out of the box.  Current selection in
sam/acme is linear, even though it is shown as two-dimensional.  Text
is treated as linear (might explain why HTML tabels are treated with
contempt) even though it has some two-dimensional properties, at least
on the screen or on paper.

For layouts (I'm pretty ignorant here, please excuse any blunder I may
utter), you need at least as many dimensions as occur in the
representation, one is not a practical option, two would be normal,
more will no doubt be possible in the future.  My gut feel is that
once one breaks away from the linear interpretation of text, a lot of
things will fall into place.

One thought is that vertical font sizes are an additional dimension,
while images are merely single characters with unusual height and
width.  The horizontal character size is in the first dimension, of
course.

As for mark-ups, they require their own treatment, probably along the
lines of living in a separate layer as would be the case in image
editing.  Using layers seems to me like a good concept to edit
enhanced text.  Perhaps horizontal and vertical dimensions also belong
in layers distinct from the abstract text.

Just a naive idea...

++L


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-24 19:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-20 20:08 [9fans] " Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-20 20:57 ` andrey mirtchovski
2008-01-20 21:05   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-20 22:22     ` Federico G. Benavento
2008-01-20 23:41       ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-20 23:44         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-20 23:47           ` benavento
2008-01-20 23:50             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-21 14:09               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-21 14:39                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-21 15:01                 ` Kernel Panic
2008-01-21 16:02                 ` Brantley Coile
2008-01-21 20:54                   ` Steve Simon
2008-01-21 21:58                     ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-21 22:47                     ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-21 22:59                       ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-21 23:25                       ` Fazlul Shahriar
2008-01-21 23:31                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-22  0:39                           ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-22 12:15                       ` Russ Cox
2008-01-22 12:38                         ` Harri Haataja
2008-01-22 13:09                           ` lucio
2008-01-22 15:03                           ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-22 15:37                             ` Brantley Coile
2008-01-23  9:35                               ` [9fans] " pavlovetsky
2008-01-23 11:15                                 ` Harri Haataja
2008-01-24  9:41                                   ` pavlovetsky
2008-01-24 10:05                                     ` Steve Simon
2008-01-24 10:44                                       ` benavento
2008-01-24 15:05                                         ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-24 15:14                                           ` benavento
2008-01-24 15:51                                         ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:12                                           ` benavento
2008-01-25  9:55                                         ` pavlovetsky
2008-01-24 16:55                                       ` Uriel
2008-01-24 11:19                                     ` Paulo Pocinho
2008-01-24 11:24                                       ` Christopher Nielsen
2008-01-24 11:48                                         ` Paulo Pocinho
2008-01-24 12:46                                           ` mattmobile
2008-01-24 13:23                                             ` Paulo Pocinho
2008-01-24 15:37                                       ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:04                                         ` ron minnich
2008-01-24 18:06                                           ` andrey mirtchovski
2008-01-24 18:15                                             ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-24 18:19                                           ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:38                                             ` Paulo Pocinho
2008-01-24 18:44                                               ` lucio
2008-01-24 19:01                                               ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:50                                       ` Joel C. Salomon
2008-01-24 19:04                                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-24 21:52                                           ` Russ Cox
2008-01-25  9:56                                             ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-01-25 12:19                                               ` Martin Neubauer
2008-01-24 13:38                                     ` tlaronde
2008-01-23 14:17                                 ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-23 16:13                                   ` ron minnich
2008-01-23 16:57                                     ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-23 17:36                                     ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-23 18:26                                       ` Uriel
2008-01-24  9:59                                   ` sqweek
2008-01-24 17:21                                     ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:04                                       ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-24 18:21                                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-24 18:37                                           ` lucio
2008-01-24 22:16                                             ` Gary Wright
2008-01-25  2:47                                             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-25  3:21                                               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-25  6:08                                               ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:52                                           ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-24 19:09                                             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-24 19:27                                               ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-24 19:38                                                 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-24 21:26                                                   ` Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente
2008-01-25  9:55                                                 ` pavlovetsky
2008-01-25 14:14                                                   ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-25 14:26                                                     ` Brantley Coile
2008-01-25 17:49                                                       ` Bakul Shah
2008-01-25 18:09                                                         ` lucio
2008-01-25 18:29                                                           ` John Floren
2008-01-25 19:12                                                             ` lucio
2008-01-25 19:38                                                             ` Bakul Shah
2008-01-25 20:04                                                               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-01-26  2:28                                                             ` dave.l
2008-01-26  3:08                                                               ` John Floren
2008-01-26  3:17                                                                 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-28  3:11                                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-28  3:34                                                                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-01-25 18:32                                                           ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-25 18:15                                                         ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-25 18:30                                                           ` lucio
2008-01-25 18:17                                                         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-01-25 18:19                                                         ` John Floren
2008-01-25 14:35                                                     ` [9fans] importing web browsers (was Building GCC) Charles Forsyth
2008-01-25 14:45                                                       ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-25 17:50                                                         ` lucio
2008-01-26 15:47                                                           ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-26 15:50                                                             ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-25 16:17                                                     ` [9fans] Re: Building GCC pavlovetsky
2008-01-25 18:04                                                     ` lucio
2008-01-26 15:29                                                       ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-24 19:13                                             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-24 19:18                                             ` lucio [this message]
2008-01-24 19:26                                               ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-25  9:56                                             ` pavlovetsky
2008-01-25 11:21                                               ` lucio
2008-01-25 14:07                                                 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-25 18:43                                                   ` [9fans] Higher level document rendering and editing (Was: Building GCC) lucio
2008-01-28 10:04                                                   ` [9fans] Re: Higher level document rendering and editing (Was pavlovetsky
2008-01-28 10:36                                                     ` Federico G. Benavento
2008-01-24 18:23                                         ` [9fans] Re: Building GCC lucio
2008-01-25 10:00                                         ` pavlovetsky
2008-01-22 17:15                           ` [9fans] " Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-22 18:19                             ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-22 18:28                               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-22 18:37                                 ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-22 13:26                         ` John Stalker
2008-01-22 16:35                         ` ron minnich
2008-01-22 17:00                           ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-01-22 17:07                             ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-22 17:18                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-01-22 17:25                               ` ron minnich
2008-01-22 17:46                                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-22 17:07                           ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-22 17:15                             ` ron minnich

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