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From: pavlovetsky@gmail.com
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: [9fans] Re: Building GCC
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:35:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f2413bbe-1c11-4ce6-84b6-a0dead9dc9fa@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e27941beeb58f20040b9f6677b07a35d@coraid.com>

We can not grip the system tightly and prescribe particular
application and use of it; instead, we must allow people to use it for
their own purposes. The more general the system, the better, and this
is the UNIX principle. If someone wants to build an environment he
feels comfortable with, but still, not leaving the splendid grounds of
Plan9 - great! Doesn´t it? This is customisation.

Personally, I would be happy as a child to see, say, web browser built
using native environment and fully copliant. It never will be, though,
for the simple reason - to be fully comliant, web browser must render
flash content and Java Script as a minimum, but there are also many
other web technologies, which are accessible through special,
proprietary plugins. The Flash Player is proprietary and, as a shared
library it is distributed for three mainstream operating systems and a
couple industrial UNIX systems. You will never get it for Plan9 until
it will become either standard industrial and/or mainstream. From the
purist point of view it is bad, because system looses its original
integrity, many flavours evolve and distasteful cruft appears. But, in
the end, this is evolution. This is the only way to survive. The more
people will use Plan9 the better, even if they do it in not so elegant
way.

It is senseless and impossible to reinvent every single weel. People
must port things, it will strengthen the system.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-23  9:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-20 20:08 [9fans] " Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-20 20:57 ` andrey mirtchovski
2008-01-20 21:05   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-20 22:22     ` Federico G. Benavento
2008-01-20 23:41       ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-20 23:44         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-20 23:47           ` benavento
2008-01-20 23:50             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-21 14:09               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-21 14:39                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-21 15:01                 ` Kernel Panic
2008-01-21 16:02                 ` Brantley Coile
2008-01-21 20:54                   ` Steve Simon
2008-01-21 21:58                     ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-21 22:47                     ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-21 22:59                       ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-21 23:25                       ` Fazlul Shahriar
2008-01-21 23:31                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-22  0:39                           ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-22 12:15                       ` Russ Cox
2008-01-22 12:38                         ` Harri Haataja
2008-01-22 13:09                           ` lucio
2008-01-22 15:03                           ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-22 15:37                             ` Brantley Coile
2008-01-23  9:35                               ` pavlovetsky [this message]
2008-01-23 11:15                                 ` [9fans] " Harri Haataja
2008-01-24  9:41                                   ` pavlovetsky
2008-01-24 10:05                                     ` Steve Simon
2008-01-24 10:44                                       ` benavento
2008-01-24 15:05                                         ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-24 15:14                                           ` benavento
2008-01-24 15:51                                         ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:12                                           ` benavento
2008-01-25  9:55                                         ` pavlovetsky
2008-01-24 16:55                                       ` Uriel
2008-01-24 11:19                                     ` Paulo Pocinho
2008-01-24 11:24                                       ` Christopher Nielsen
2008-01-24 11:48                                         ` Paulo Pocinho
2008-01-24 12:46                                           ` mattmobile
2008-01-24 13:23                                             ` Paulo Pocinho
2008-01-24 15:37                                       ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:04                                         ` ron minnich
2008-01-24 18:06                                           ` andrey mirtchovski
2008-01-24 18:15                                             ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-24 18:19                                           ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:38                                             ` Paulo Pocinho
2008-01-24 18:44                                               ` lucio
2008-01-24 19:01                                               ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:50                                       ` Joel C. Salomon
2008-01-24 19:04                                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-24 21:52                                           ` Russ Cox
2008-01-25  9:56                                             ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2008-01-25 12:19                                               ` Martin Neubauer
2008-01-24 13:38                                     ` tlaronde
2008-01-23 14:17                                 ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-23 16:13                                   ` ron minnich
2008-01-23 16:57                                     ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-23 17:36                                     ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-23 18:26                                       ` Uriel
2008-01-24  9:59                                   ` sqweek
2008-01-24 17:21                                     ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:04                                       ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-24 18:21                                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-24 18:37                                           ` lucio
2008-01-24 22:16                                             ` Gary Wright
2008-01-25  2:47                                             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-25  3:21                                               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-25  6:08                                               ` lucio
2008-01-24 18:52                                           ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-24 19:09                                             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-24 19:27                                               ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-24 19:38                                                 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-24 21:26                                                   ` Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente
2008-01-25  9:55                                                 ` pavlovetsky
2008-01-25 14:14                                                   ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-25 14:26                                                     ` Brantley Coile
2008-01-25 17:49                                                       ` Bakul Shah
2008-01-25 18:09                                                         ` lucio
2008-01-25 18:29                                                           ` John Floren
2008-01-25 19:12                                                             ` lucio
2008-01-25 19:38                                                             ` Bakul Shah
2008-01-25 20:04                                                               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-01-26  2:28                                                             ` dave.l
2008-01-26  3:08                                                               ` John Floren
2008-01-26  3:17                                                                 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-28  3:11                                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-28  3:34                                                                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-01-25 18:32                                                           ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-25 18:15                                                         ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-25 18:30                                                           ` lucio
2008-01-25 18:17                                                         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-01-25 18:19                                                         ` John Floren
2008-01-25 14:35                                                     ` [9fans] importing web browsers (was Building GCC) Charles Forsyth
2008-01-25 14:45                                                       ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-25 17:50                                                         ` lucio
2008-01-26 15:47                                                           ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-26 15:50                                                             ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-25 16:17                                                     ` [9fans] Re: Building GCC pavlovetsky
2008-01-25 18:04                                                     ` lucio
2008-01-26 15:29                                                       ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-24 19:13                                             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-24 19:18                                             ` lucio
2008-01-24 19:26                                               ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-25  9:56                                             ` pavlovetsky
2008-01-25 11:21                                               ` lucio
2008-01-25 14:07                                                 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-25 18:43                                                   ` [9fans] Higher level document rendering and editing (Was: Building GCC) lucio
2008-01-28 10:04                                                   ` [9fans] Re: Higher level document rendering and editing (Was pavlovetsky
2008-01-28 10:36                                                     ` Federico G. Benavento
2008-01-24 18:23                                         ` [9fans] Re: Building GCC lucio
2008-01-25 10:00                                         ` pavlovetsky
2008-01-22 17:15                           ` [9fans] " Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-22 18:19                             ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-22 18:28                               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-01-22 18:37                                 ` Iruata Souza
2008-01-22 13:26                         ` John Stalker
2008-01-22 16:35                         ` ron minnich
2008-01-22 17:00                           ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-01-22 17:07                             ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-22 17:18                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-01-22 17:25                               ` ron minnich
2008-01-22 17:46                                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-22 17:07                           ` erik quanstrom
2008-01-22 17:15                             ` ron minnich

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