* [9fans] could it write code too?
@ 2005-04-14 23:27 Ronald G. Minnich
2005-04-15 0:55 ` Kenji Okamoto
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From: Ronald G. Minnich @ 2005-04-14 23:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/scigen/
good if you're hunting tenure.
ron
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* Re: [9fans] could it write code too?
2005-04-14 23:27 [9fans] could it write code too? Ronald G. Minnich
@ 2005-04-15 0:55 ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-04-15 1:20 ` Russ Cox
2005-04-15 2:42 ` Ronald G. Minnich
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From: Kenji Okamoto @ 2005-04-15 0:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/scigen/
I have problem in English, so I'd like to make confirm it.
IS IT A JOKE? ☺
Here, we have some such money service to translate Japanese
to English, I mean science paper! It seems there is some market
place for such needs which I can't believe.
How the original author can make it confirm that the translation is
comfortable or getting a good level of translation! Unfortunately,
it's not a joke...
Kenji
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* Re: [9fans] could it write code too?
2005-04-15 0:55 ` Kenji Okamoto
@ 2005-04-15 1:20 ` Russ Cox
2005-04-15 1:45 ` Andy Newman
2005-04-15 2:42 ` Ronald G. Minnich
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From: Russ Cox @ 2005-04-15 1:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> > http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/scigen/
>
> I have problem in English, so I'd like to make confirm it.
> IS IT A JOKE? ☺
It's not a joke. WMSCI is a money-making conference that
spams academics non-stop begging for submissions.
After seeing David Mazieres's submission
(http://www.scs.cs.nyu.edu/~dm/remove.pdf),
the students involved (some of my officemates)
spent about a week, off and on, building a random grammar
for generating research papers and submitted two
randomly-generated papers. One got in, one did not.
It may not be immediately obvious to a non-native
speaker, but the papers are just gibberish. They don't
make sense from one sentence to the next. Even the most
cursory reading of a paragraph or two should have been
enough to figure out that the papers were fakes. And yet
one still got in.
The hope is that enough egg will end up on WMSCI's face
that they'll stop spamming us. Then again, I doubt it.
There was an interesting post on Slashdot from someone
who said that he had first heard of iiisci (the parent organization)
when he saw a phishing email that used them as a link, and
when he emailed them to warn them that they were being used
like that (thinking their site had been taken over by hackers),
he started getting the conference spams.
Russ
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* Re: [9fans] could it write code too?
2005-04-15 1:20 ` Russ Cox
@ 2005-04-15 1:45 ` Andy Newman
2005-04-15 2:28 ` Kenji Okamoto
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From: Andy Newman @ 2005-04-15 1:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
Russ Cox wrote:
> After seeing David Mazieres's submission
> (http://www.scs.cs.nyu.edu/~dm/remove.pdf),
That paper is a work of beauty. The graph and
scatter plot are very nice touches.
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* Re: [9fans] could it write code too?
2005-04-15 1:45 ` Andy Newman
@ 2005-04-15 2:28 ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-04-15 2:33 ` Wes Kussmaul
` (2 subsequent siblings)
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From: Kenji Okamoto @ 2005-04-15 2:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> That paper is a work of beauty. The graph and
> scatter plot are very nice touches.
However, no reference point for referenced papers [1] and [2].
Kenji
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* Re: [9fans] could it write code too?
2005-04-15 1:45 ` Andy Newman
2005-04-15 2:28 ` Kenji Okamoto
@ 2005-04-15 2:33 ` Wes Kussmaul
2005-04-15 16:14 ` Wes Kussmaul
2005-04-15 2:45 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-04-15 4:17 ` [9fans] could it write code too? geoff
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From: Wes Kussmaul @ 2005-04-15 2:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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* Re: [9fans] could it write code too?
2005-04-15 0:55 ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-04-15 1:20 ` Russ Cox
@ 2005-04-15 2:42 ` Ronald G. Minnich
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From: Ronald G. Minnich @ 2005-04-15 2:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Kenji Okamoto wrote:
> > http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/scigen/
>
> I have problem in English, so I'd like to make confirm it.
> IS IT A JOKE? ☺
well, it is kind of a joke. The program wrote the paper. The paper was
accepted.
at the same time, I've read worse papers than that one that were not
created by a computer.
ron
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* Re: [9fans] could it write code too?
2005-04-15 1:45 ` Andy Newman
2005-04-15 2:28 ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-04-15 2:33 ` Wes Kussmaul
@ 2005-04-15 2:45 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-04-15 3:57 ` [9fans] Pixar and Jell-O Karl Sackett
2005-04-15 4:17 ` [9fans] could it write code too? geoff
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From: Ronald G. Minnich @ 2005-04-15 2:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
is the old paper from pixar about rendering jello online anywhere? Another
classic ...
ron
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* [9fans] Pixar and Jell-O
2005-04-15 2:45 ` Ronald G. Minnich
@ 2005-04-15 3:57 ` Karl Sackett
2005-04-15 5:14 ` Paul Lalonde
2005-04-15 13:00 ` Russ Cox
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From: Karl Sackett @ 2005-04-15 3:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On 2005 April 14 at 20:45:24 -0600, Ronald G. Minnich wrote:
> is the old paper from pixar about rendering jello online anywhere? Another
> classic ...
Google is your friend.
'Ray Tracing Jell-O Brand Gelatin' by Paul S. Heckbert
<http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/88q3/20424.10.html>
--
Karl Sackett K4KRS krs@hiwaay.net
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying the cross." Sinclair Lewis
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* Re: [9fans] could it write code too?
2005-04-15 1:45 ` Andy Newman
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2005-04-15 2:45 ` Ronald G. Minnich
@ 2005-04-15 4:17 ` geoff
2005-04-15 12:57 ` Russ Cox
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From: geoff @ 2005-04-15 4:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
Did festoon ever get distributed outside the labs? Maybe it was a
late Research Unix thing only? It did something similar: generated
plausible-looking papers of random gibberish, complete with tables,
graphs and equations.
Google suggests that a binary and man page escaped into 2.9BSD.
A sample:
.TL
An Analogously Uniform Centralized Organization
.AU "C. C. Festoon" CCF Headquarters 1113538458
.AS
Usually,
there is not a major objective which may have been apomisoescing the apparentnesses.
Assumptions were insufficiently federesced by that investigation.
The interaction neoenniates a casually intelligent requirements definition.
Anytime that a not unactivating correspondence veriates at a process,
an invention had dispolyesced the substantial change.
In the same way as described above,
those criterias had ultimesced a system philosophy.
[...]
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* Re: [9fans] Pixar and Jell-O
2005-04-15 3:57 ` [9fans] Pixar and Jell-O Karl Sackett
@ 2005-04-15 5:14 ` Paul Lalonde
2005-04-15 13:00 ` Russ Cox
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From: Paul Lalonde @ 2005-04-15 5:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Why, that's the paper that taught me about Jabobians!
A joke, but one that works!
Paul
On 14-Apr-05, at 8:57 PM, Karl Sackett wrote:
> On 2005 April 14 at 20:45:24 -0600, Ronald G. Minnich wrote:
>> is the old paper from pixar about rendering jello online anywhere?
>> Another
>> classic ...
>
> Google is your friend.
> 'Ray Tracing Jell-O Brand Gelatin' by Paul S. Heckbert
> <http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/88q3/20424.10.html>
>
> --
> Karl Sackett K4KRS
> krs@hiwaay.net
>
> "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
> carrying the cross." Sinclair Lewis
>
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* Re: [9fans] could it write code too?
2005-04-15 4:17 ` [9fans] could it write code too? geoff
@ 2005-04-15 12:57 ` Russ Cox
2005-04-15 13:42 ` Steve Simon
2005-04-16 0:02 ` geoff
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From: Russ Cox @ 2005-04-15 12:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Festoon was in 2e Plan 9. I think the papers they're
generating are more readable than festoon's. The
general sound of everything is more plausible. For example,
the conclusion that was accepted:
IV. CONCLUSION
Here we motivated Rooter, an analysis of rasterization.
We leave out a more thorough discussion due to resource
constraints. Along these same lines, the characteristics of
our heuristic, in relation to those of more little-known
algorithms, are clearly more unfortunate. Next, our algorithm
has set a precedent for Markov models, and we expect that
theorists will harness Rooter for years to come. Clearly, our
vision for the future of programming languages certainly
includes our algorithm.
Russ
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* Re: [9fans] Pixar and Jell-O
2005-04-15 3:57 ` [9fans] Pixar and Jell-O Karl Sackett
2005-04-15 5:14 ` Paul Lalonde
@ 2005-04-15 13:00 ` Russ Cox
1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Russ Cox @ 2005-04-15 13:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> 'Ray Tracing Jell-O Brand Gelatin' by Paul S. Heckbert
> <http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/88q3/20424.10.html>
A Slashdot post mentioned a hand-written fake paper
titled "Ray Tracing in the Absence of Light".
Russ
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* Re: [9fans] could it write code too?
2005-04-15 12:57 ` Russ Cox
@ 2005-04-15 13:42 ` Steve Simon
2005-04-16 0:02 ` geoff
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From: Steve Simon @ 2005-04-15 13:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: russcox, 9fans
http://www.tribug.org/pub/tuhs/Applications/Festoon/
-Steve
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* Re: [9fans] could it write code too?
2005-04-15 2:33 ` Wes Kussmaul
@ 2005-04-15 16:14 ` Wes Kussmaul
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From: Wes Kussmaul @ 2005-04-15 16:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
>>That paper is a work of beauty. The graph and
>>scatter plot are very nice touches.
>>
> I recall a similar paper written by one Jack Torrance in...
Jack Torrance was played by another Jack... caretaker for a resort hotel...
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* Re: [9fans] could it write code too?
2005-04-15 12:57 ` Russ Cox
2005-04-15 13:42 ` Steve Simon
@ 2005-04-16 0:02 ` geoff
2005-04-16 0:55 ` boyd, rounin
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From: geoff @ 2005-04-16 0:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
Thanks for the pointer to TUHS.
Yeah, festoon is a little too keen to invent words and isn't very good
at it. One can turn down the frequency of invented words but I had no
luck at preventing them completely.
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* Re: [9fans] could it write code too?
2005-04-16 0:02 ` geoff
@ 2005-04-16 0:55 ` boyd, rounin
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2005-04-16 0:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
festoon(6) was in 9th Ed.
for the old-style (on another topic) this _might_ be interesting:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree/Ausam/sys/defines.elec.html
--
MGRS 31U DQ 52572 12604
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* Re: [9fans] Pixar and Jell-O
2005-04-15 16:37 [9fans] Pixar and Jell-O Jean Mehat
@ 2005-04-18 7:11 ` Bruce Ellis
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From: Bruce Ellis @ 2005-04-18 7:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
It took months for Shaney to get accused of being a program.
He could of actually spat out someone's complete article
(there is no secret about how dumb but effective the program was),
but only if god rolled the right dice.
So who is the most gullible audience?
net.singles+net.religion
or conference shysters?
brucee
On 4/16/05, Jean Mehat <jm@ai.univ-paris8.fr> wrote:
> > A Slashdot post mentioned a hand-written fake paper
> > titled "Ray Tracing in the Absence of Light".
>
> As I remember, the authors where referees for a conference, but did not
> receive any paper to refer. As an experiment, the next year, they submitted
> three papers to this conference (about image synthesis) ; the first one
> suggested to add foot mark on the wall, with a correlation between the size
> and the height of the mark ; the second one was about ray tracing in the
> absence of light; the third one was a copy of the call for paper. The three
> papers were accepted.
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* Re: [9fans] Pixar and Jell-O
@ 2005-04-15 16:37 Jean Mehat
2005-04-18 7:11 ` Bruce Ellis
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From: Jean Mehat @ 2005-04-15 16:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans, russcox
> A Slashdot post mentioned a hand-written fake paper
> titled "Ray Tracing in the Absence of Light".
As I remember, the authors where referees for a conference, but did not
receive any paper to refer. As an experiment, the next year, they submitted
three papers to this conference (about image synthesis) ; the first one
suggested to add foot mark on the wall, with a correlation between the size
and the height of the mark ; the second one was about ray tracing in the
absence of light; the third one was a copy of the call for paper. The three
papers were accepted.
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