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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Glendix?
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:26:07 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f139ec91ab945a62f271c09ffda26137@quanstro.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5d375e920711130531i166392f0u254171e1b13ab36b@mail.gmail.com>

> Admittedly how one deals with udev and other such linux userspace
> monsters might be  tricky, but I think that is the whole point, to
> replace such things with saner Plan 9-based solutions.

i see two problems with this.

1.  linux interfaces change all the time, requiring constant linux tinkering.
2.  covering up the linux interface will always be imperfect.  you won't
be able to ignore it's existance and i think you underestimate the amount
of glue code required.  p9p succeedes because it refuses to do this.

i am reminded by a line from the labs' response to ast's usenix posting
   - UNIX can be successfully run as an application program
        `Run' perhaps, `successfully' no.  Name a product that succeeds
        by running UNIX as an application.

s/UNIX/Plan 9/g

- erik

reference: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.research/browse_thread/thread/7f0d9faf290b8ce2/598d4a31d5c1aac7?lnk=gst&q=presotto#598d4a31d5c1aac7


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-11-13 14:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-13  9:28 Anant Narayanan
2007-11-13 10:05 ` Gorka Guardiola
2007-11-13 10:14   ` Uriel
2007-11-13 10:33     ` Gorka Guardiola
2007-11-13 14:25       ` David Leimbach
2007-11-14  0:51         ` Alexander Sychev
2007-11-13 21:37   ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-11-13 10:17 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-13 10:39 ` roger peppe
2007-11-13 10:47   ` Anant Narayanan
2007-11-13 12:18     ` Uriel
2007-11-13 13:00     ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-13 13:31       ` Uriel
2007-11-13 13:47         ` roger peppe
2007-11-13 14:10           ` sqweek
2007-11-13 13:54         ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-13 15:20           ` Anant Narayanan
2007-11-13 18:23             ` Bakul Shah
2007-11-13 14:26         ` erik quanstrom [this message]
2007-11-13 16:49           ` Uriel
2007-11-13 17:19             ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-13 17:24               ` Iruata Souza
2007-11-13 22:01               ` David Leimbach
2007-11-13 15:16         ` Anant Narayanan
2007-11-13 14:29       ` Anant Narayanan
2007-11-13 17:21         ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-13 21:41         ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-11-13 13:30 ` John Stalker
2007-11-13 15:35   ` Harri Haataja
2007-11-13 16:22     ` John Stalker
2007-11-13 16:43       ` Aki Nyrhinen
2007-11-13 16:39   ` Uriel
2007-11-13 16:46     ` Iruata Souza
2007-11-13 18:02       ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-13 18:12         ` Iruata Souza
2007-11-13 22:04         ` David Leimbach
2007-11-13 22:16           ` David Leimbach
2007-11-13 23:19           ` Iruata Souza
2007-11-14  2:23             ` R
2007-11-14 11:44               ` Iruata Souza
2007-11-14 12:17                 ` R
2007-11-14 12:40                   ` Christian Kellermann
2007-11-14 13:01                     ` R
2007-11-14 13:08                       ` Christian Kellermann
2007-11-13 17:48     ` John Stalker
2007-11-13 16:26 ` Russ Cox
2007-11-13 16:42   ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-13 17:44     ` Latchesar Ionkov
2007-11-14  5:44       ` ron minnich
2007-11-16  8:42 ` [9fans] Nine4Linux [WAS: Glendix?] Enrico Weigelt
2007-11-16 10:20   ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]   ` <1b69251dfdcb6b8022ff78767f07ce86@quanstro.net>
2007-11-22 18:01     ` Enrico Weigelt
2007-11-22 22:00       ` Paweł Lasek

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