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From: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
To: Jon Harrop <jdh30@cam.ac.uk>
Cc: caml-list <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library
Date: 29 Apr 2004 11:03:48 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1083200626.9537.1199.camel@pelican.wigram> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200404281942.05371.jdh30@cam.ac.uk>

On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 04:42, Jon Harrop wrote:

> Oh my God, you're not seriously advocating a page of gotos over that are you?

Certainly: its a state machine, that's how the work,
you can't get around that.

However the goto's aren't of consequence here.
I you wanted you could use a for loop, or
whatever .. 

> I think you can easily have it either way in ocaml too. For the imperative 
> style you can use map or iter with a function which has side-effects on some 
> more global state. For the functional approach you use fold and pass the 
> state on each time.

You are missing the point. Neither solution control inverts.
So they're both weak. In the control inverted solution
you aren't not called with some state, you do the calling
so you can use for example let/bindings and recursion
to maintain state "functionally": you cannot do that
with the callback driven model, you're forced to use
mutable state.

In practice not all complex problems admit
a clean solution using functional states,
you may need some variables too. But at least
you can reduce the need to use it if you have
control inversion built into your language.

Sure like to see a monadic/lazy solution to
the example using streams ..


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  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-29  1:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 199+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-23 18:51 John Goerzen
2004-04-23 19:52 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-23 20:09   ` Alexander V. Voinov
2004-04-23 20:27     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 20:23   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 20:36     ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:10       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 21:12         ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:18           ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:32             ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-23 21:46             ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 21:58               ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-24  8:15                 ` Matthieu BRUCHER
2004-04-24  8:15                   ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:36           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 21:33         ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 22:04           ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-24  4:26             ` John Goerzen
2004-04-24  8:13               ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-24  9:28                 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-25  8:56                   ` Common IO structure (was Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library) Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-25 11:54                     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 14:53                       ` [Caml-list] Re: Common IO structure Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-26 21:02                         ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-25 19:42                     ` Common IO structure (was Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library) Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 13:16                       ` [Caml-list] Re: Common IO structure Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-26 13:53                         ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-26 14:26                           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28  6:52                             ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-26 14:23                         ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 14:55                           ` skaller
2004-04-26 15:26                           ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-26 19:28                             ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 20:56                               ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 21:14                                 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-26 22:32                                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 21:52                                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-27 16:00                                 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 21:51                                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-27 19:08                                 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-27 22:22                                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-28  7:42                                     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-29 10:13                                   ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 15:43                               ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 16:17                                 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-27 16:58                                   ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 23:35                                     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-28  3:44                                       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 13:01                                         ` Richard Jones
2004-04-28 21:30                                         ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-28 21:44                                           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 22:41                                             ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 11:51                                               ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 12:03                                                 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 15:16                                                   ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 10:27                                             ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-29 13:03                                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 13:40                                                 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-29 14:02                                                   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 15:31                                                     ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-29 17:31                                                       ` james woodyatt
2004-04-29 23:53                                                         ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-30  4:10                                                           ` james woodyatt
2004-04-29 11:23                                             ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 12:23                                               ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 15:10                                                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 15:35                                                   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 15:46                                                     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 15:58                                                       ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 20:41                                                       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 22:35                                                         ` Benjamin Geer
2004-05-01 14:37                                                 ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-29 13:23                                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 14:12                                                 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 15:37                                                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-28  7:05                                       ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28  0:20                                     ` skaller
2004-04-28  3:39                                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 13:04                                     ` Richard Jones
2004-04-24  9:40               ` [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library Oliver Bandel
2004-04-23 22:54           ` Henri DF
2004-04-23 23:11           ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-25  6:55           ` james woodyatt
2004-04-25  7:56             ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-25 11:50             ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-25 13:55               ` skaller
2004-04-26 12:08                 ` Martin Berger
2004-04-26 12:51                   ` skaller
2004-04-26 14:49                   ` skaller
2004-04-28  4:31                   ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-28  5:13                     ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-28  8:37                       ` skaller
2004-04-28  9:18                         ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-28 11:24                           ` skaller
2004-04-28 15:18                             ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 16:28                               ` skaller
2004-04-28 18:02                                 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29  0:54                                   ` skaller
2004-04-29 11:57                                     ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-29 13:38                                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 18:42                                 ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-29  1:03                                   ` skaller [this message]
2004-04-29  1:56                                     ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-29  2:35                                       ` skaller
2004-04-29  3:00                                       ` skaller
2004-04-29  5:04                                         ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-29  5:38                                           ` skaller
2004-04-29  5:47                                     ` james woodyatt
2004-04-29 12:05                                     ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-28 17:07                             ` james woodyatt
2004-04-28 17:31                               ` skaller
2004-05-03  0:02                                 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03  7:54                                   ` skaller
2004-05-03  8:58                                     ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 10:58                                       ` skaller
2004-05-03 12:40                                         ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 13:04                                           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-05-03 14:24                                           ` brogoff
2004-05-03 15:26                                             ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 15:08                                           ` skaller
2004-05-03 16:00                                             ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 11:32                                       ` [Caml-list] Re: Tail-calls in C code (was: [ANN] The Missing Library) Wolfgang Lux
2004-05-03 12:34                                         ` skaller
2004-05-03 12:38                                         ` skaller
2004-05-03 12:55                                           ` skaller
2004-05-03 13:02                                         ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-04-28 15:15                       ` [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library John Goerzen
2004-04-28 20:43                         ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-30 15:58                       ` Brian Hurt
2004-05-01  2:48                         ` skaller
2004-04-28  8:24                     ` skaller
2004-04-28  8:42                       ` Martin Berger
2004-04-28 11:38                         ` skaller
2004-04-28 16:07                           ` [Caml-list] " Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2004-04-28 11:31                       ` [Caml-list] " Yaron M. Minsky
2004-04-28 12:09                         ` skaller
2004-04-28 12:36                           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28 13:39                             ` skaller
2004-04-28 14:02                               ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28 15:34                                 ` skaller
2004-04-28 13:15                           ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2004-04-28 14:31                             ` skaller
2004-04-28 14:40                               ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2004-04-28 15:51                                 ` skaller
2004-04-28 13:29                           ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-28 16:10                           ` [Caml-list] " Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2004-04-28 17:14                             ` skaller
2004-04-28 17:34                               ` Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2004-04-28 20:00                               ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-25 12:20             ` [Caml-list] " Benjamin Geer
2004-04-25 14:06               ` skaller
2004-04-25 15:07                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-26  0:19                   ` skaller
2004-04-23 22:08         ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2004-04-24  4:40           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-24 10:10           ` Oliver Bandel
2004-04-24 19:31             ` skaller
2004-04-23 20:54     ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-23 21:07       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-25 15:43       ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-26  0:22         ` skaller
2004-04-28  4:10           ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-26  6:48     ` Florian Hars
2004-04-23 20:41 ` Eric C. Cooper
2004-04-23 21:16   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 22:28     ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-23 22:37       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-23 23:16         ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-24  1:38           ` [Caml-list] ocamlopt -pack portability John Carr
2004-04-24 10:31             ` Oliver Bandel
2004-04-24 16:53               ` John Carr
2004-04-24  4:46         ` [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library John Goerzen
2004-04-24  2:43       ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-24  9:19         ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-24 12:27           ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-24 12:58             ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-24 17:36               ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 14:49               ` Florian Hars
2004-04-24  2:44       ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-24  4:51       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-24  5:11         ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-24 12:59       ` Proposal: community standard library project (was: Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library) Benjamin Geer
2004-04-24 17:29         ` [Caml-list] RE: Proposal: community standard library project Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-24 18:23           ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-25  4:37             ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-26  1:45         ` [Caml-list] " Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-26  3:03           ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-26  7:43           ` Martin Jambon
2004-04-26 18:25           ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-26 19:37             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 20:24               ` skaller
2004-04-26 20:39                 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-26 22:17                   ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-27  9:06                   ` skaller
2004-04-27  9:35                     ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-27 11:29                     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-27 12:52                       ` skaller
2004-04-27 18:13                       ` [Caml-list] CVS labeling (was Re: Proposal: community standard library project) Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-27 18:53                         ` John Goerzen

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